Good interview with Ritchie Fliegler of Fender

Post by RichCI
This is pretty old (2001), but I was poking around ToneQuest when I ran
across it. Good stuff with a lot of insight into how Fender makes a
lot of their decisions with product development.
http://www.tonequest.com/pdf_pubs/TQRFender.pdf

I thought that they just used the 'Decision Dart-board' on the back of
the
executive wash-room door.

Rich Koerner

2006-04-11 15:24:39 UTC

So, the history behind Fender's Polished Turds is written.

Regards,

Rich Koerner,
Time Electronics.
http://www.timeelect.com

Specialists in Live Sound FOH Engineering,
Music & Studio Production,
Vintage Instruments, and Tube Amplifiers

RichCI

2006-04-11 15:56:19 UTC

So, the history behind Fender's Polished Turds is written.
Regards,
Rich Koerner,
Time Electronics.
http://www.timeelect.com
Specialists in Live Sound FOH Engineering,
Music & Studio Production,
Vintage Instruments, and Tube Amplifiers

What I got out of the article is that Fender is trying to make products
for all wallets and the vast majority of what their market is are the
low to mid level musicians. Also, they have to meet safety standards
for a lot of countries for anything that plugs into a wall. They do
not feel that it is cost effective for them to compete with boutique
builders like Victoria, Kendrick and so on when it comes to amplifiers.
Fliegler feels that those who want point to point wiring are either
going to go buy old Fender amps or buy boutique.

I was looking for a small practice amp to carry to my brother's house
to jam with him and take to my girlfriend's on the weekends and was
looking at Pro Juniors as well as used Champs. I was almost sold on
the Pro Junior until I started researching deeper and found that the
cabinets are made of particle board, the pots have plastic shafts and
are mounted on the PC board. The cabinet part worried me because
cabinets vibrate and effect the overall tone of the amp and, IMO,
particle board is not a very good transducer compared to solid wood or
ply. But, I'd be willing to overlook that for the purposes of what I
want the amp for. I was more concerned with snapping a pot because I'm
going to be carrying this amp around quite a bit.

I eventually ended up buying a 1966 blackface. I realize I could have
bought a silverface with the same circuit but I wanted this one because
1) I really prefer the look of the blackface and 2) it happened to be
built the same year I was born. Pretty stupid reasons but I'd rather
pay a little bit more for EXACTLY what I want than save a little and
not be completely satisfied. The amp should arrive by the end of this
week or the beginning of next week. At $500, it cost more than I was
planning on spending but screw it - I got what I REALLY wanted in the
first place.

I think the Pro or Blues Junior would have been fine for my needs as
far as performance goes, but I couldn't get over the construction
points I mentioned.

Bruce Morgen

2006-04-11 19:04:57 UTC

So, the history behind Fender's Polished Turds is written.

...by their bullshitter-in-
chief. Fleigler is such a
phony that Fender demoted
him to marketing Fender-
branded boots, T-shirts,
and coffee tables a couple
of years ago.

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Rich Koerner

2006-04-11 19:36:22 UTC

So, the history behind Fender's Polished Turds is written.

...by their bullshitter-in-
chief. Fleigler is such a
phony that Fender demoted
him to marketing Fender-
branded boots, T-shirts,
and coffee tables a couple
of years ago.

I've heard he's been without a place at Fender for some time now.

I had a go around with him on the Fender Forum.

He started bashing Ed Jahns, and in the so doing, gave his own version of the truth.

I called him on it, and the thread disappeared for a week.

He NEVER answered my calling him out on his fabrications he spewed in the forum.

He shot his mouth off, with nothing to back it up.

All those who mattered at Fender, are now gone.

No one over there has a clue now.

If they don't pull it together, the shitter is in their future.

They haven't innovated a thing in decades.

They have become expert in the re-cycled past, and stealing the inovation of others.

A company does not have to have integerity to make money.

They are not the company they once were.

Regards,

Rich Koerner,
Time Electronics.
http://www.timeelect.com

Specialists in Live Sound FOH Engineering,
Music & Studio Production,
Vintage Instruments, and Tube Amplifiers

Bruce Morgen

2006-04-11 20:47:03 UTC

So, the history behind Fender's Polished Turds is written.

...by their bullshitter-in-
chief. Fleigler is such a
phony that Fender demoted
him to marketing Fender-
branded boots, T-shirts,
and coffee tables a couple
of years ago.

When the going gets tough,
the phonys get going --
straight for the exit!

Post by Rich Koerner
He NEVER answered my calling him out on his fabrications he spewed in the forum.
He shot his mouth off, with nothing to back it up.
All those who mattered at Fender, are now gone.
No one over there has a clue now.

Dan Smith is the last good
man in Corona, he's about
to retire.

Post by Rich Koerner
If they don't pull it together, the shitter is in their future.
They haven't innovated a thing in decades.

Yeah, but they have about
two-hundred different
Strats, ninety percent of
which are ninety percent
identical to the others!

Post by Rich Koerner
They have become expert in the re-cycled past, and stealing the inovation of others.
A company does not have to have integerity to make money.
They are not the company they once were.

I agree -- all signs point
to an ongoing Harvard MBA
schoolboy takeover, there's
almost nobody there who
knows how to build gear.
They had their chance when
Dan Smith invited Bill
Lawrence in to complete the
American Deluxe project,
but essentially they just
continue to cannibalize
their own past, much like
Gibson does.

That said, you can still
get a damned good guitar at
a good price with "Fender"
on the headstock if you
know what you're looking
for -- not much interested
in their amps, even my
Chinese-made Pignose G40V
is more roadworthy than a
modern Fender amp.
_____

The above is strictly my
personal opinion, and does
not represent the views of
my clients or associates.

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2006-04-12 16:59:23 UTC

So, the history behind Fender's Polished Turds is written.

...by their bullshitter-in-
chief. Fleigler is such a
phony that Fender demoted
him to marketing Fender-
branded boots, T-shirts,
and coffee tables a couple
of years ago.

When the going gets tough,
the phonys get going --
straight for the exit!

Dan Smith is the last good
man in Corona, he's about
to retire.

Post by Rich Koerner
If they don't pull it together, the shitter is in their future.
They haven't innovated a thing in decades.

Yeah, but they have about
two-hundred different
Strats, ninety percent of
which are ninety percent
identical to the others!

Yeah, but wasn't THAT, a Dan Smith thing.

Regards,

Rich Koerner,
Time Electronics.
http://www.timeelect.com

Specialists in Live Sound FOH Engineering,
Music & Studio Production,
Vintage Instruments, and Tube Amplifiers

Bruce Morgen

2006-04-12 17:15:30 UTC

So, the history behind Fender's Polished Turds is written.

...by their bullshitter-in-
chief. Fleigler is such a
phony that Fender demoted
him to marketing Fender-
branded boots, T-shirts,
and coffee tables a couple
of years ago.

When the going gets tough,
the phonys get going --
straight for the exit!

Dan Smith is the last good
man in Corona, he's about
to retire.

Post by Rich Koerner
If they don't pull it together, the shitter is in their future.
They haven't innovated a thing in decades.

Yeah, but they have about
two-hundred different
Strats, ninety percent of
which are ninety percent
identical to the others!

Yeah, but wasn't THAT, a Dan Smith thing.

Nope -- he was all about a
few reissues (which were a
big part of the post-CBS
rebirth of the company),
but afaik the impetus for
hundreds of near-identical
models came out of
Scottsdale as a shortcut
to build sales while
minimizing R&D costs and
time-to-market. Dan (a
former repair tech) is all
about quality, but the
pressure from marketing is
all about maximizing total
revenue. Even the bottom
line (which is actually
*hurt* by maintaining so
many models) takes a back
seat to those big sales
numbers. This leads me to
believe that management is
more interested in selling
the company (either
outright or via IPO) than
in building and selling
good gear profitably.

_____

The above is strictly my
personal opinion, and does
not represent the views of
my clients or associates.

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Rich Koerner

2006-04-12 21:18:27 UTC

Bruce Morgen wrote:

<snip>

Post by Bruce Morgen
Yeah, but they have about
two-hundred different
Strats, ninety percent of
which are ninety percent
identical to the others!

Yeah, but wasn't THAT, a Dan Smith thing.

The latter portion, I've felt for years.

There was a time when to own a Fender meant something.

Now,... it means nothing.

Remember when THIS was the only P-Bass of its kind offered by Fender at a price the working musician
could afford.

http://timeelect.com/64pbass.htm

There is really no excuse for the cheap not quite look-a-likes, they make today.

With all the high tech mass production methods we have today, for what reason could this
http://timeelect.com/64pbass.htm example be made, at a very affordable price.

The labor is the same whether a guitar or bass is made in Japan, Mexico, or the USA.

Regards,

Rich Koerner,
Time Electronics.
http://www.timeelect.com

Specialists in Live Sound FOH Engineering,
Music & Studio Production,
Vintage Instruments, and Tube Amplifiers

Keith Adams

2006-04-11 16:58:38 UTC

Good choice Rich. What is it a Blackface Champ ? I dont know if the
particle board cabinet puts me off towards the new amps as much as the
circuit board and plastic jacks /pots do. If they are using components
that damned cheap( pots and jack get allot of work ) then the rest of
the parts and pieces are going to be no better. What kind of life
expectancy can their amps possibly have? The reverb tank that Fender
is using makes me want to pull it out of the amp and smash it with a
framing hammer . I feel like they're insulting me by putting such a
puny piece of shit into their amps. My brother has a Fender amp thats
a couple of years old and two of the tanks have already gone south in
it. If you ever come across a good deal on a Silverface or Blackface
Princeton Reverb then grab it Rich. Great little amps that sound real
good. They're built the way an amp should be as well.

"RichCI" <***@gmail.com> wrote in message news:***@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
This is pretty old (2001), but I was poking around ToneQuest when I ran
across it. Good stuff with a lot of insight into how Fender makes a
lot of their decisions with product development.

http://www.tonequest.com/pdf_pubs/TQRFender.pdf

RichCI

2006-04-11 17:26:39 UTC

Post by Keith Adams
Good choice Rich. What is it a Blackface Champ ? I dont know if the
particle board cabinet puts me off towards the new amps as much as the
circuit board and plastic jacks /pots do. If they are using components
that damned cheap( pots and jack get allot of work ) then the rest of
the parts and pieces are going to be no better. What kind of life
expectancy can their amps possibly have? The reverb tank that Fender
is using makes me want to pull it out of the amp and smash it with a
framing hammer . I feel like they're insulting me by putting such a
puny piece of shit into their amps. My brother has a Fender amp thats
a couple of years old and two of the tanks have already gone south in
it. If you ever come across a good deal on a Silverface or Blackface
Princeton Reverb then grab it Rich. Great little amps that sound real
good. They're built the way an amp should be as well.
This is pretty old (2001), but I was poking around ToneQuest when I ran
across it. Good stuff with a lot of insight into how Fender makes a
lot of their decisions with product development.
http://www.tonequest.com/pdf_pubs/TQRFender.pdf

Oops! Yes, it's a blackface Champ:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7405295770

It appears to be all original except for the speaker. Well, that is,
I'm counting on that since the power plug hasn't been replaced with a
3-prong that nobody bothered to do any other modifications to the amp.
I'm not too worried about the speaker as there's a good chance that I
might have replaced it with something a little beefier sounding anyway
so maybe I'll get lucky and it will sound nice.

I was looking at Princetons after reading some comments you made about
them in another thread a couple of weeks ago and I liked the idea of
getting an amp with a larger speaker, but they seem to go for at least
$800 on Ebay (the ones without reverb; ones with it were selling for
over a grand). That amount was really getting to be much more than I
wanted to spend on an amp for my purposes and I tend to go overboard on
gear as it is. Heck, I'm not sure if I would have bought this
blackface Champ for $500 if I hadn't come home with a buzz last friday
night and just said "Screw it - I want it!"

Jack Wagner

2006-04-11 21:08:38 UTC

RichCI wrote:
Heck, I'm not sure if I would have bought this

Post by RichCI
blackface Champ for $500 if I hadn't come home with a buzz last friday
night and just said "Screw it - I want it!"

I think they should build computers with breathalizers built into them
to stop you from logging onto eBay or any text messaging/email program
if you have a buzz going.

Have fun with the amp, I'd like to get an old champ one day but until
then my Blues Junior will have to keep me happy.

RichCI

2006-04-12 12:58:21 UTC

Post by RichCI
Heck, I'm not sure if I would have bought this

Post by RichCI
blackface Champ for $500 if I hadn't come home with a buzz last friday
night and just said "Screw it - I want it!"

I think they should build computers with breathalizers built into them
to stop you from logging onto eBay or any text messaging/email program
if you have a buzz going.

Tell me about it. That's how I ended up with the Space: 1999 Megaset:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00006FD8P/qid=1144846603

Post by RichCI
Have fun with the amp, I'd like to get an old champ one day but until
then my Blues Junior will have to keep me happy.

The Blues Junior looks like a great amp and has an ideal set of
features. I was really close to going with that one.

Keith Adams

2006-04-12 00:04:16 UTC

Very nice amp Rich.Its a good investment that will do nothing but go up
in price. It amazes me that you got it for the price you paid. I got
mine about 10 years ago for $250. It was a good price even for then.
I'd like to say that the PR is worth $1000 or more but they're not.IMO
no fuc%ing amp ever made is. Especially a 12 watt'r like the PR. The
Priceton Reverb has one more gain stage than the regular Princeton
which gives it more juice. A great upgrade for the Champ is to
install a Princeton output transformer in it and a Deluxe Reverb output
transformer for the Princeton. It is a big improvement. Anyway Rich
...nice amp.

components

Post by Keith Adams
that damned cheap( pots and jack get allot of work ) then the rest of
the parts and pieces are going to be no better. What kind of life
expectancy can their amps possibly have? The reverb tank that Fender
is using makes me want to pull it out of the amp and smash it with a
framing hammer . I feel like they're insulting me by putting such a
puny piece of shit into their amps. My brother has a Fender amp thats
a couple of years old and two of the tanks have already gone south in
it. If you ever come across a good deal on a Silverface or Blackface
Princeton Reverb then grab it Rich. Great little amps that sound real
good. They're built the way an amp should be as well.
This is pretty old (2001), but I was poking around ToneQuest when I ran
across it. Good stuff with a lot of insight into how Fender makes a
lot of their decisions with product development.
http://www.tonequest.com/pdf_pubs/TQRFender.pdf

RichCI

2006-04-12 13:09:25 UTC

Post by Keith Adams
Very nice amp Rich.Its a good investment that will do nothing but go up
in price. It amazes me that you got it for the price you paid. I got
mine about 10 years ago for $250. It was a good price even for then.
I'd like to say that the PR is worth $1000 or more but they're not.IMO
no fuc%ing amp ever made is. Especially a 12 watt'r like the PR. The
Priceton Reverb has one more gain stage than the regular Princeton
which gives it more juice. A great upgrade for the Champ is to
install a Princeton output transformer in it and a Deluxe Reverb output
transformer for the Princeton. It is a big improvement. Anyway Rich
...nice amp.

I think the price was good; not great but definitely worth clicking the
"Buy It Now" button. I saw another one go for $560 in bids that is in
even better shape. I was watching that one as well, but didn't want to
get into a bidding war and end up paying too much so I snapped up the
one I got.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7403534994

Post by Keith Adams

Post by Keith Adams
Good choice Rich. What is it a Blackface Champ ? I dont know if the
particle board cabinet puts me off towards the new amps as much as

the

Post by Keith Adams
circuit board and plastic jacks /pots do. If they are using

components

Fender

Post by Keith Adams
is using makes me want to pull it out of the amp and smash it with a
framing hammer . I feel like they're insulting me by putting such a
puny piece of shit into their amps. My brother has a Fender amp

thats

Post by Keith Adams
a couple of years old and two of the tanks have already gone south in
it. If you ever come across a good deal on a Silverface or Blackface
Princeton Reverb then grab it Rich. Great little amps that sound

real

Post by Keith Adams
good. They're built the way an amp should be as well.
This is pretty old (2001), but I was poking around ToneQuest when I

ran

Post by Keith Adams
across it. Good stuff with a lot of insight into how Fender makes a
lot of their decisions with product development.
http://www.tonequest.com/pdf_pubs/TQRFender.pdf

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7405295770
It appears to be all original except for the speaker. Well, that is,
I'm counting on that since the power plug hasn't been replaced with a
3-prong that nobody bothered to do any other modifications to the amp.
I'm not too worried about the speaker as there's a good chance that I
might have replaced it with something a little beefier sounding anyway
so maybe I'll get lucky and it will sound nice.
I was looking at Princetons after reading some comments you made about
them in another thread a couple of weeks ago and I liked the idea of
getting an amp with a larger speaker, but they seem to go for at least
$800 on Ebay (the ones without reverb; ones with it were selling for
over a grand). That amount was really getting to be much more than I
wanted to spend on an amp for my purposes and I tend to go overboard on
gear as it is. Heck, I'm not sure if I would have bought this
blackface Champ for $500 if I hadn't come home with a buzz last friday
night and just said "Screw it - I want it!"

Jon R. Pickens

2006-04-12 16:21:10 UTC

Nice purchase. I hope you're as happy with your Champ as I am with my
Vibro Champ.

One thing to consider regarding a larger speaker: It can be done
without permanent modification. If you can find a Fender Musicmaster
Bass amp from the 70's it has the same chassis width as the BF and SF
Champs. I got an empty SFMMB cab for free from a friend. I slid the
VC chassis into it with no problems. It's taller, and cut for a 12"
speaker. The 12" speaker adds volume and much better low-end.

I'm planning on getting a new 12" from Weber in 3.2 ohms. He offers
many of his speakers in that impedance.

Check out my "Musicmaster Vibro Champ":

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The back panel on the bottom has disconnected jacks which were used
back when this was my buddy's extension cabinet. It'll be replaced.
Also, 2 screw holes on top where he added an aftermarket handle (gonna
fill 'em in before recovering).

I plan to re-cover the whole thing in blond tolex, and replace the
grill cloth with the oxblood stuff. The final touch will be the repro
black face-plate and white knobs.

After all this, it's still by no means a heavy amp to carry around.
The 6.5W output will never require a speaker with a big, heavy magnet.

Just a couple of ideas for you...

~jp

Post by RichCI
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7405295770
It appears to be all original except for the speaker. Well, that is,
I'm counting on that since the power plug hasn't been replaced with a
3-prong that nobody bothered to do any other modifications to the amp.
I'm not too worried about the speaker as there's a good chance that I
might have replaced it with something a little beefier sounding anyway
so maybe I'll get lucky and it will sound nice.
I was looking at Princetons after reading some comments you made about
them in another thread a couple of weeks ago and I liked the idea of
getting an amp with a larger speaker, but they seem to go for at least
$800 on Ebay (the ones without reverb; ones with it were selling for
over a grand). That amount was really getting to be much more than I
wanted to spend on an amp for my purposes and I tend to go overboard on
gear as it is. Heck, I'm not sure if I would have bought this
blackface Champ for $500 if I hadn't come home with a buzz last friday
night and just said "Screw it - I want it!"

RichCI

2006-04-12 16:32:42 UTC

Post by Jon R. Pickens
Nice purchase. I hope you're as happy with your Champ as I am with my
Vibro Champ.
One thing to consider regarding a larger speaker: It can be done
without permanent modification. If you can find a Fender Musicmaster
Bass amp from the 70's it has the same chassis width as the BF and SF
Champs. I got an empty SFMMB cab for free from a friend. I slid the
VC chassis into it with no problems. It's taller, and cut for a 12"
speaker. The 12" speaker adds volume and much better low-end.
I'm planning on getting a new 12" from Weber in 3.2 ohms. He offers
many of his speakers in that impedance.
http://www.absolutepickens.com/Champ/img_0620b.jpg
http://www.absolutepickens.com/Champ/img_0621b.jpg
http://www.absolutepickens.com/Champ/img_0622b.jpg
http://www.absolutepickens.com/Champ/img_0623b.jpg
The back panel on the bottom has disconnected jacks which were used
back when this was my buddy's extension cabinet. It'll be replaced.
Also, 2 screw holes on top where he added an aftermarket handle (gonna
fill 'em in before recovering).
I plan to re-cover the whole thing in blond tolex, and replace the
grill cloth with the oxblood stuff. The final touch will be the repro
black face-plate and white knobs.
After all this, it's still by no means a heavy amp to carry around.
The 6.5W output will never require a speaker with a big, heavy magnet.
Just a couple of ideas for you...
~jp

That's a really cool idea, Jon! Thanks for the tips!

I saw a couple of Champs and Pro Juniors put into larger cabs up for
sale on Ebay and was thinking of buying one of those rather than the
amp I decided on. One was a Pro Junior put into a very cool cab with
dark red and cream colored tolex and another was a silverface Champ
with the face replaced to blackface and put into a solid pine cab, both
had 12" speakers. The one with the pine cab looked really nice too but
I was concerned with it getting scratched up from carrying it around;
if I was going to keep it in my living room, I probably would have gone
for it as it sold for around $230.

I'm probably going to leave the amp as it is though as I want to keep
it stock - good enough for Keif, good enough for me. I guess it's a
double edged sword buying a vintage amp for utility purposes.

Post by Jon R. Pickens

Jon R. Pickens

2006-04-12 18:30:18 UTC

Well, you should be happy with it regardless. My 'mods' were done
strictly to make it more functional--to me. Mine's not as valuable
since it's a silver face model, and I got it for like $200 even (it's
nice having a brother that works in a music store). Generally all my
equipment is non-stock. I didn't care (and still don't) care about
it's monetary value, so I sold the original cabinet.

Just need to replace the filter caps and do the cosmetic work and it'll
be done.

~jp

Post by RichCI
That's a really cool idea, Jon! Thanks for the tips!
I saw a couple of Champs and Pro Juniors put into larger cabs up for
sale on Ebay and was thinking of buying one of those rather than the
amp I decided on. One was a Pro Junior put into a very cool cab with
dark red and cream colored tolex and another was a silverface Champ
with the face replaced to blackface and put into a solid pine cab, both
had 12" speakers. The one with the pine cab looked really nice too but
I was concerned with it getting scratched up from carrying it around;
if I was going to keep it in my living room, I probably would have gone
for it as it sold for around $230.
I'm probably going to leave the amp as it is though as I want to keep
it stock - good enough for Keif, good enough for me. I guess it's a
double edged sword buying a vintage amp for utility purposes.

RichCI

2006-04-11 17:39:16 UTC

One other things... I don't know what Fender is doing with pots on
their higher end amps; I was looking at just the Pro Junior and the
Blues Junior and that's what I found through my research.

It's not like the amp is going to get thrown around in the back of a
van, but it *is* going to be moved fairly often so I wanted something I
could rely on. I even purchased a pretty nice aftermarket padded vinyl
cover for the Champ.

Pat

2006-04-11 18:11:07 UTC

One other things... I don't know what Fender is doing with pots on
their higher end amps; I was looking at just the Pro Junior and the
Blues Junior and that's what I found through my research.
It's not like the amp is going to get thrown around in the back of a
van, but it *is* going to be moved fairly often so I wanted something I
could rely on. I even purchased a pretty nice aftermarket padded vinyl
cover for the Champ.

My '71 silverface Vibrolux Reverb has plastic shafts on the pots. I
don't think they are anything to be concerned about. Pull a knob on your
Champ, I wonder if they are plastic, too.

--
Pat

Keith Adams

2006-04-12 00:06:43 UTC

The pots must have been changed in your amp. They're metal on my 77 PR.

components

One other things... I don't know what Fender is doing with pots on
their higher end amps; I was looking at just the Pro Junior and the
Blues Junior and that's what I found through my research.
It's not like the amp is going to get thrown around in the back of a
van, but it *is* going to be moved fairly often so I wanted something I
could rely on. I even purchased a pretty nice aftermarket padded vinyl
cover for the Champ.

My '71 silverface Vibrolux Reverb has plastic shafts on the pots. I
don't think they are anything to be concerned about. Pull a knob on
your
Champ, I wonder if they are plastic, too.

--
Pat

Pat

2006-04-12 05:49:32 UTC

On Wed, 12 Apr 2006 00:06:43 GMT, "Keith Adams"

Post by Keith Adams
The pots must have been changed in your amp. They're metal on my 77 PR.

I only pulled the knob on one but the cases look the same for all of
them. I'm pretty sure they are original. I bought the amp in 1978 so the
likelihood they were changed is small.

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Pat

2006-04-11 20:52:17 UTC