All time best selling guitar amp????

Post by jtees4
Help. I have a bet and can't find the answer. Google hasn't helped, or
at least I can't find it.
1. What is the best selling BRAND of guitar amp of all time....meaning
cumulative total sales for the overall brand?
2. What is the all time best selling MODEL amp of all time?
I certainly know the answer to #1, number 2 I'm not 100% sure.

I think <g>

Fender

Best selling tube HotRod Dlx. SS I don't know.

I'd think you'd have to break it down to tube vs SS because they have
such different price ranges.

Jim

jimmy

2011-05-06 17:35:36 UTC

I think <g>
Fender
Best selling tube HotRod Dlx. SS I don't know.
I'd think you'd have to break it down to tube vs SS because they have
such different price ranges.
Jim

Maybe even broken down by size. There's gotta be more of those little
15 watt peavey SS practice amps than anything!

JimT

2011-05-06 17:47:52 UTC

Post by jimmy

I think<g>
Fender
Best selling tube HotRod Dlx. SS I don't know.
I'd think you'd have to break it down to tube vs SS because they have
such different price ranges.
Jim

Maybe even broken down by size. There's gotta be more of those little
15 watt peavey SS practice amps than anything!

That's what I was thinking. The best selling amp of all time might be a
Squire 15watt SS amp sold with a guitar/amp kit or something. In that
case, who cares?

Jim

jimmy

2011-05-06 18:27:29 UTC

Post by jimmy

I think<g>
Fender
Best selling tube HotRod Dlx. SS I don't know.
I'd think you'd have to break it down to tube vs SS because they have
such different price ranges.
Jim

Maybe even broken down by size. There's gotta be more of those little
15 watt peavey SS practice amps than anything!

That's what I was thinking. The best selling amp of all time might be a
Squire 15watt SS amp sold with a guitar/amp kit or something. In that
case, who cares?
Jim

Yep. No doubt jtees is thinking of "legit" amps. I would've thought
fender DR has to be right up there. I've been jonesin' for one
forever.

JimT

2011-05-06 18:36:18 UTC

I think<g>
Fender
Best selling tube HotRod Dlx. SS I don't know.
I'd think you'd have to break it down to tube vs SS because they have
such different price ranges.
Jim

Maybe even broken down by size. There's gotta be more of those little
15 watt peavey SS practice amps than anything!

That's what I was thinking. The best selling amp of all time might be a
Squire 15watt SS amp sold with a guitar/amp kit or something. In that
case, who cares?
Jim

Yep. No doubt jtees is thinking of "legit" amps. I would've thought
fender DR has to be right up there. I've been jonesin' for one
forever.

I remember reading somewhere the Hotrod series is their best selling. If
not the Dlx then the Blues Jr. May have just been marketing bs.

Jim

Nil

2011-05-06 19:03:48 UTC

Post by JimT
I remember reading somewhere the Hotrod series is their best
selling. If not the Dlx then the Blues Jr. May have just been
marketing bs.

I see tons of Blues Jrs out there. Even I have one (don't like it much,
tho.) They've been available for quite a few years now, they're still
in production, they are cheap-ish, they're good enough for many people,
most chain stores sell them. I wouldn't be surprised if it's the best
selling amp.

Otherwise, for pro use, I might guess the Fender Twin Reverb. I don't
think they've ever gone out of production, I see lots of them on
stages, and they are good for other things than just guitar (I'm
thinking electronic keyboards, mostly.)

Grip

2011-05-06 20:51:25 UTC

Post by Nil

Post by JimT
I remember reading somewhere the Hotrod series is their best
selling. If not the Dlx then the Blues Jr. May have just been
marketing bs.

I see tons of Blues Jrs out there. Even I have one (don't like it much,
tho.) They've been available for quite a few years now, they're still
in production, they are cheap-ish, they're good enough for many people,
most chain stores sell them. I wouldn't be surprised if it's the best
selling amp.
Otherwise, for pro use, I might guess the Fender Twin Reverb. I don't
think they've ever gone out of production, I see lots of them on
stages, and they are good for other things than just guitar (I'm
thinking electronic keyboards, mostly.)

Twin came to mind first for me....but I know a gazillion HRD's have
been made as well. Something tells me the answer will be a surprize.

unknown

2011-05-07 00:26:52 UTC

I remember reading somewhere the Hotrod series is their best selling.

That would have to mean 'currently best selling'. No way Fender have
sold more Hot Rods since the 90s than Twins since the 1950s (Tweed,
Blonde, Blackface, Silverface, Rivera era, 'Red knob', modern 'reissue'
etc.

My guess for 1 is Fender.

They were building amps more than a decade before Marshall or Vox got
started. Also, while Marshalls have always been popular amps for
rock/blues music, they are/were less so for other styles like surf,
country, jazz. "The" surf sound was Fender single coils into Fender
amps with Fender reverb. They (Fender amps) are also damn fine at doing
the rock thing, too.

My guess for question 2 is the Fender Twin for reasons listed above.

Thoughts?

JimT

2011-05-07 01:44:09 UTC

Post by unknown

I remember reading somewhere the Hotrod series is their best selling.

That would have to mean 'currently best selling'. No way Fender have
sold more Hot Rods since the 90s than Twins since the 1950s (Tweed,
Blonde, Blackface, Silverface, Rivera era, 'Red knob', modern 'reissue'
etc.
My guess for 1 is Fender.
They were building amps more than a decade before Marshall or Vox got
started. Also, while Marshalls have always been popular amps for
rock/blues music, they are/were less so for other styles like surf,
country, jazz. "The" surf sound was Fender single coils into Fender
amps with Fender reverb. They (Fender amps) are also damn fine at doing
the rock thing, too.
My guess for question 2 is the Fender Twin for reasons listed above.
Thoughts?

I guess I missed "all time" best seller. I'd say Champ. The Twin is too
expensive. Maybe it's the most popular with professional musicians?

Jim

Grinner

2011-05-10 09:58:03 UTC

Post by unknown

Post by jtees4
Help. I have a bet and can't find the answer. Google hasn't helped, or
at least I can't find it.
1. What is the best selling BRAND of guitar amp of all
time....meaning
cumulative total sales for the overall brand?
2. What is the all time best selling MODEL amp of all time?

I remember reading somewhere the Hotrod series is their best selling.

That would have to mean 'currently best selling'. No way Fender have
sold more Hot Rods since the 90s than Twins since the 1950s (Tweed,
Blonde, Blackface, Silverface, Rivera era, 'Red knob', modern 'reissue'
etc.
My guess for 1 is Fender.
They were building amps more than a decade before Marshall or Vox got
started. Also, while Marshalls have always been popular amps for
rock/blues music, they are/were less so for other styles like surf,
country, jazz. "The" surf sound was Fender single coils into Fender
amps with Fender reverb. They (Fender amps) are also damn fine at doing
the rock thing, too.

tremelo as well

Post by unknown
My guess for question 2 is the Fender Twin for reasons listed above.
Thoughts?

Meat Plow

2011-05-06 20:58:40 UTC

Post by jtees4
Help. I have a bet and can't find the answer. Google hasn't helped, or
at least I can't find it.
1. What is the best selling BRAND of guitar amp of all time....meaning
cumulative total sales for the overall brand? 2. What is the all time
best selling MODEL amp of all time?
I certainly know the answer to #1, number 2 I'm not 100% sure.

I'd guess Marshall for #1. For #2 would have to be some model of Marshall
provided Marshall was the top selling brand. I think you might have to break it down
by combo or stack in the best seller model section.

--
Live Fast Die Young, Leave A Pretty Corpse

Grinner

2011-05-10 09:58:44 UTC

Post by Meat Plow

Post by jtees4
Help. I have a bet and can't find the answer. Google hasn't helped, or
at least I can't find it.
1. What is the best selling BRAND of guitar amp of all time....meaning
cumulative total sales for the overall brand? 2. What is the all time
best selling MODEL amp of all time?
I certainly know the answer to #1, number 2 I'm not 100% sure.

the jcm 800 maybe

Post by Meat Plow
--
Live Fast Die Young, Leave A Pretty Corpse

mercutio

2011-05-06 21:32:36 UTC

My guess would be Vox ( because of all the early 60's sales ) altho I
agree with meat plow Marshall came imediatlty to mind ). If thats
right then I guess the AC30

Jim

Luigi Vercotti

2011-05-06 22:07:20 UTC

Being a 'best seller' is not the same as 'most popular'..

VOX sold/sells far less amps then Marshall, Fender in all
it's glory can't touch Peavey in shear numbers sold, and
all the wanna be companies today haven't a chance.

Model of amp? Hard to beat the Twin. The 50 n 100
watt Marshall heads too. How many 'Champs' do we
think have been sold? FAR more then AC30s, and more
of them survived. Also, one must adapt to WHAT model
of 'Champ' or 'AC30' are we talking about, they are all
not the same (esp sales wise, ie: 'evil' Twins) ya know.

Makes ya think, 'eh?

JJTj

You know those Kix just keep getting harder to find..
...and Frosted Flakes ain't giving you peace of mind..
You better chow down more Bran cakes, now..
..and get yer ass straight...

JNugent

2011-05-06 23:13:54 UTC

Post by Luigi Vercotti
Being a 'best seller' is not the same as 'most popular'..
VOX sold/sells far less amps then Marshall, Fender in all
it's glory can't touch Peavey in shear numbers sold, and
all the wanna be companies today haven't a chance.
Model of amp? Hard to beat the Twin. The 50 n 100
watt Marshall heads too. How many 'Champs' do we
think have been sold? FAR more then AC30s, and more
of them survived. Also, one must adapt to WHAT model
of 'Champ' or 'AC30' are we talking about, they are all
not the same (esp sales wise, ie: 'evil' Twins) ya know.
Makes ya think, 'eh?
JJTj

The Twin.

Seconded.

JN (who owns an AC30 and a Twin).

2011-05-07 12:40:06 UTC

Post by Luigi Vercotti
, Fender in all
it's glory can't touch Peavey in shear numbers sold,

Just raw numbers: there are 4000 Fender amps and 1000 Peavey amps
listed in USA Ebay today.

Facts and statistics is not your strong point, huh ?

Luigi Vercotti

2011-05-07 17:49:53 UTC

Post by Luigi Vercotti
, Fender in all
it's glory can't touch Peavey in shear numbers sold,

Total number of AMPS sold... Not indiv models..

Post by WB
Just raw numbers: there are 4000 Fender amps and 1000 Peavey amps
listed in USA Ebay today.

Which means nothing, yet maybe PV's last longer, are saved
and not sold as often, and the market at the moment.

Post by WB
Facts and statistics is not your strong point, huh ?

I guess reality isn't yours. :'>

I've seen both factories up close and personal, and AT THAT TIME
PV was producing more #s of more models then Fender was. Times
may of changed, yet my sources at BOTH places tell me that Fender
NOW is cutting back production numbers yet producing more models,
while PV is cutting back the number of models, and increasing the
production #s of those models. Dice tosses of 2 poker hands..

JJTj

You know those Kix just keep getting harder to find..
...and Frosted Flakes ain't giving you peace of mind..
You better chow down more Bran cakes, now..
..and get yer ass straight...

2011-05-07 18:48:38 UTC

Just raw numbers: there are 4000 Fender amps and 1000 Peavey amps
listed in USA Ebay today.

Which means nothing, yet maybe PV's last longer, are saved
and not sold as often, and the market at the moment.

Umm. Only the bean counters may know for sure, but I would tend to
think
the number of units available on the used market would indicate market
share.

I raise my bid:

I did a search on houston craiglist, and " Fender Amp" was 2:1 over
"Peavey amp" (232 to111).

Your deal. ;-)

JimT

2011-05-07 19:41:55 UTC

Post by WB
Just raw numbers: there are 4000 Fender amps and 1000 Peavey amps
listed in USA Ebay today.

Which means nothing, yet maybe PV's last longer, are saved
and not sold as often, and the market at the moment.

Umm. Only the bean counters may know for sure, but I would tend to
think
the number of units available on the used market would indicate market
share.
I did a search on houston craiglist, and " Fender Amp" was 2:1 over
"Peavey amp" (232 to111).
Your deal. ;-)

Probably because Fender has been around so long. I think there is
something to what LV is saying. PV revenue for 2011 est $271mil. Fender
est $280 and Fender gets a lot more revenue from guitars than PV. AFAIK.

Jim

Luigi Vercotti

2011-05-07 20:03:36 UTC

Post by JimT
Probably because Fender has been around so long. I think there is
something to what LV is saying. PV revenue for 2011 est $271mil. Fender
est $280 and Fender gets a lot more revenue from guitars than PV. AFAIK.
Jim

Good point. PV guitar business is no where near Fender's. I would
also guess that Fender's % of income is much more from guitars then
amps. PV has interests in alot of areas, but they don't bring in the
income like the amps/PAs do. I didn't think the numbers were THAT
close. Also, one might have to add, PV's overall expenses are
far less then Fender's. And, unless things have changed big
time, PV answers to just one guy. Don't know about Fender.

When I was there, I was amazed on how little baggage was
there. It was a slim ship. IMMSMW, bills are always paid on
time, and there was never a hint of $$$ problems of any kind.

I don't think Fender has that problem either.

One also has to look at the profit a dealer can get with PV,
in the 2000's, dealers BRIBED to get the franchise. At
one time, a Stop n Shop supermarket I visited sold Fender.

Yet we can go on and on here...

JJTj

OT:

A friend just gave me a copy of the movie THOR that started
in the world today. It was a super clean copy that someone
with a hidden camcorder made. Looked damn good for quality.

I mean, 9 out of 10 quality...

But the movie...PUKE... Nothing like the comix, or mythology,
it was badly acted, written and produced. Sucked AND blew...

'Odin' looks like Willy Nelson,& 'Loki' like Pee Wee Herman..

Don't waste ya money folks. Rent it later and you'll thank
me for saving ya the $$$$. Worst thing is they left it all
open for a sequel. Don't be confused by the media...

Don't confuse the facts with
half truths and gorilla dust...

Bruce Morgen

2011-05-07 21:04:40 UTC

I don't think Fender is in
particularly good shape
financially -- without
their Asian-made Squier
stuff, imo they'd be out
of business (after selling
their trademarks to some
foreign company). They're
a very big, high-overhead
operation, and most of
their management talent
(at least in Corona) has
left since the death of
Bill Schultz and the
retirement of Dan Smith.

Mike Schway

2011-05-08 01:17:52 UTC

[back on-topic]

FWIW, the all-time most REPAIRED amp in my shop (aside from routine
tube changes) has GOT to be the Hot Rod Deville/Deluxe. Perhaps it's
just the sheer numbers of them out there, but I was just checking my
repair data base and I've seen a s**tload of them on my bench over the
past 15 years, far more than any other single model of amp.

Certainly they've been 'Fender's best sellers since the mid 90s. But
man, EVERY ONE eventually gets a solder re-flow at some time in its
life, usually shortly after the 5 year warranty runs out. Tube
sockets, jacks and, of course, [...insert drumroll here...] the ever-
popular low voltage supply dropping resistors. At least the pots tend
to stay soldered....

Sure, I get a lot of SF/BF Fenders, but they mostly come in for
maintenance / recaps / tubes/ and cord conversions. Once they're
fixed, they tend to STAY fixed. ;-)

Now, back to the movies.

--Mike

Luigi Vercotti

2011-05-07 19:44:59 UTC

Post by WB
I did a search on houston craiglist, and " Fender Amp" was 2:1 over
"Peavey amp" (232 to111).
Your deal. ;-)

OK..

All those numbers mean is more people are trying to sell
their used Fenders then PVs. I agree it is a good point,
but doesn't mean more F were sold then PV.

Yet I still think the Twin is the biggest overall MODEL sold.

Dealer?..a new deck please... :/>

JJTj

..Mayhem, Chaos and Confusion..

(my job here is done)

Jim

2011-05-07 21:26:36 UTC

Post by WB
Just raw numbers: there are 4000 Fender amps and 1000 Peavey amps
listed in USA Ebay today.

Which means nothing, yet maybe PV's last longer, are saved
and not sold as often, and the market at the moment.

I searched MY HOUSE. Fender wins brand (five). Twin Reverb wins model
(three at the moment).

Peavey was in clear second, but after selling the Mace, I now only have
the Triple X.

jtees4

2011-05-08 01:51:08 UTC

Post by Jim

Post by WB
Just raw numbers: there are 4000 Fender amps and 1000 Peavey amps
listed in USA Ebay today.

Which means nothing, yet maybe PV's last longer, are saved
and not sold as often, and the market at the moment.

I searched MY HOUSE. Fender wins brand (five). Twin Reverb wins model
(three at the moment).
Peavey was in clear second, but after selling the Mace, I now only have
the Triple X.

That's about as scientific as it gets!....but the funny thing is, I
think you're right!

TD Madden

2011-05-08 15:39:50 UTC

Just raw numbers: there are 4000 Fender amps and 1000 Peavey amps
listed in USA Ebay today.

Which means nothing, yet maybe PV's last longer, are saved
and not sold as often, and the market at the moment.

I searched MY HOUSE. Fender wins brand (five). Twin Reverb wins model
(three at the moment).
Peavey was in clear second, but after selling the Mace, I now only have
the Triple X.

I have more GIBSON (8) than either....

Chuck

2011-05-09 18:31:49 UTC

Post by TD Madden

Just raw numbers: there are 4000 Fender amps and 1000 Peavey amps
listed in USA Ebay today.

Which means nothing, yet maybe PV's last longer, are saved
and not sold as often, and the market at the moment.

I searched MY HOUSE. Fender wins brand (five). Twin Reverb wins model
(three at the moment).
Peavey was in clear second, but after selling the Mace, I now only have
the Triple X.

I have more GIBSON (8) than either....

So is this an opinion poll, or did any of you geniuses think to
actually research the production numbers of particular amps? I haven't
seen ONE reference here (including from a couple of you whom I KNOW
know better to actual numbers. I don't have time to do it right this
minute, but you can bet the numbers are out there if you know where to
look.
My guess? JJtJ is right - Peavey has probably produced more amps
overall. Fender is likely to have produced more of any one single
model that any other maker - but unlikely to have made the greatest
number of amps in total.
Whassa matter, you guys don't have work to do?

2011-05-09 19:30:41 UTC

Post by Chuck

Post by TD Madden

Just raw numbers: there are 4000 Fender amps and 1000 Peavey amps
listed in USA Ebay today.

Which means nothing, yet maybe PV's last longer, are saved
and not sold as often, and the market at the moment.

I searched MY HOUSE. Fender wins brand (five). Twin Reverb wins model
(three at the moment).
Peavey was in clear second, but after selling the Mace, I now only have
the Triple X.

I have more GIBSON (8) than either....

At least it wasn't about Tea, Pale Women, Christmas Bunnies or something
like that

Hey - it was almost - On Topic ;-)

My bet is on Valvestates and Fender Sidekicks heheh

regards

jochen

Tony Elka

2011-05-09 19:36:29 UTC

In article

Post by Chuck
So is this an opinion poll, or did any of you geniuses think to
actually research the production numbers of particular amps? I haven't
seen ONE reference here (including from a couple of you whom I KNOW
know better to actual numbers. I don't have time to do it right this
minute, but you can bet the numbers are out there if you know where to
look.
My guess? JJtJ is right - Peavey has probably produced more amps
overall. Fender is likely to have produced more of any one single
model that any other maker - but unlikely to have made the greatest
number of amps in total.
Whassa matter, you guys don't have work to do?

This is purely anecdotal but I can remember a small, independently owned
musical instrument store in Inglewood, California called Amendola,
around 1979, and they pushed their Peavey line hard.

Not all customer choices are based on personal preferences, salesmanship
is a factor too.

Tony

Les Cargill

2011-05-10 01:42:54 UTC

Post by Tony Elka
In article

This is purely anecdotal but I can remember a small, independently owned
musical instrument store in Inglewood, California called Amendola,
around 1979, and they pushed their Peavey line hard.
Not all customer choices are based on personal preferences, salesmanship
is a factor too.
Tony

Don't confuse salesmanship with availability. Peavey would set up a
dealership for just about anybody; Fender required an initial buy
plus a certain amount of sales per year.

They also targeted the product line to country players in the '80s.
This means that the music store in Podunk, Ok had Peavey, not Fedner.

--
Les Cargill

It's that Guy again...

2011-05-10 00:55:44 UTC

On Mon, 09 May 2011 18:42:54 -0700, Les Cargill

Post by Les Cargill
Don't confuse salesmanship with availability. Peavey would set up a
dealership for just about anybody; Fender required an initial buy
plus a certain amount of sales per year.

1/2 wrong, to sell PV, you had to be committed
(take that any way ya like) to the brand, have ultra
good credit, and they only had ONE dealer per so
many miles. It may of changed now. But dealers
would BEG to become PV dealers because the dealers
made $$$$$$$$$$$ selling it. But ya had to tow da line.

1/2 right. Fender made ya buy the shit stuff too, and sell
enough of it, or they pulled the line from ya store. Gibson
did/does the same thing. And *IF* they got a better deal
from another chain, they up'd ya quota..then shut ya down.

I (back then) became a Marshall dealer when I bought $5k of
stacks for my band, late 60's good stuff, from Merson/Unicord.

Gulf & Western/Merson-Unicord to you lay people.. :')

They shipped them to my home doorstep. Univox too.

Post by Les Cargill
They also targeted the product line to country players in the '80s.
This means that the music store in Podunk, Ok had Peavey, not Fedner.

I asked HP about the old TNN shows that had more PV on the tube
then anything else. He showed me the paperwork that proved TNN
*BOUGHT* (at dealer cost, since HP considered them a 'dealer') all
of them BECAUSE the MUSICIANS wanted them. Best ads on TV ever..

It wasn't till the EVH days before PV would give gear away, to
many to EVH's "..many friends.." . EVH milked that big time.

When you can get a (then) MAJOR network to buy ya gear,
and you get the ads for free, it's a BIG deal. Orange GAVE the
BBC and German TV gear for free to get the same exposure.

The silver strips on the sides of the grill was done to make PV
stick out on TV. Acoustic did the same with blue so it would
stand out on stage. What alot of folks don't know, is that
PV & Acoustic were big time rivals, Shel Horlick (sp?) who was
a major player at Acoustic and Schecter designed the sacred
Delta Concept One amp for the sole purpose of, and I quote:

"..to put Hartley Peavey out of business.." (SH)

Shel, a great guy, I heard he made peace with HP over it
before he passed away, and no, I don't know the reasons.

On the side, H. Blankinship who had a hand in the whole
thing and I met in NH, and I helped him change the odometer
of his rental. Another nice guy, where is he today?

JJTj

God Bless us, because we is funky...
Making our own rules, no matter the price..
and you best believe...we NEVER think twice...

Les Cargill

2011-05-10 03:40:10 UTC

Post by It's that Guy again...

Post by It's that Guy again...
On Mon, 09 May 2011 18:42:54 -0700, Les Cargill

Post by Les Cargill
Don't confuse salesmanship with availability. Peavey would set up a
dealership for just about anybody; Fender required an initial buy
plus a certain amount of sales per year.

1/2 wrong, to sell PV, you had to be committed
(take that any way ya like) to the brand, have ultra
good credit, and they only had ONE dealer per so
many miles. It may of changed now. But dealers
would BEG to become PV dealers because the dealers
made $$$$$$$$$$$ selling it. But ya had to tow da line.
1/2 right. Fender made ya buy the shit stuff too, and sell
enough of it, or they pulled the line from ya store. Gibson
did/does the same thing. And *IF* they got a better deal
from another chain, they up'd ya quota..then shut ya down.
I (back then) became a Marshall dealer when I bought $5k of
stacks for my band, late 60's good stuff, from Merson/Unicord.
Gulf& Western/Merson-Unicord to you lay people.. :')
They shipped them to my home doorstep. Univox too.

Hope you had a hand truck :)

Post by Les Cargill
They also targeted the product line to country players in the '80s.
This means that the music store in Podunk, Ok had Peavey, not Fedner.

Yep. I believe some artists ( George Jones for one ) specified
only Peavey backline, too.

Did Skynrd have a deal with Peavey, or was that just one
of those things? I have always heard they were Peavey in
cabinet only - the innards were all cuftomme. And I'm
pretty sure that did not include bass.... although Tommy
Shannon used a lot of Peavey. 'Course Skynrd weren't
all that big on tone, to be honest. None of the Southrun
guys were. Gaines was...

Post by It's that Guy again...
It wasn't till the EVH days before PV would give gear away, to
many to EVH's "..many friends.." . EVH milked that big time.
When you can get a (then) MAJOR network to buy ya gear,
and you get the ads for free, it's a BIG deal. Orange GAVE the
BBC and German TV gear for free to get the same exposure.
The silver strips on the sides of the grill was done to make PV
stick out on TV.

Kewl.

Post by It's that Guy again...
Acoustic did the same with blue so it would
stand out on stage. What alot of folks don't know, is that
PV& Acoustic were big time rivals, Shel Horlick (sp?) who was
a major player at Acoustic and Schecter designed the sacred
"..to put Hartley Peavey out of business.." (SH)
Shel, a great guy, I heard he made peace with HP over it
before he passed away, and no, I don't know the reasons.

Huh. Well, Acoustic sank like a rock not long after 1980. My
370 lasted about 25 years longer than they did...

Post by It's that Guy again...
On the side, H. Blankinship who had a hand in the whole
thing and I met in NH, and I helped him change the odometer
of his rental. Another nice guy, where is he today?
JJTj
God Bless us, because we is funky...
Making our own rules, no matter the price..
and you best believe...we NEVER think twice...

--
Les Cargill

It's that Guy again...

2011-05-10 21:04:14 UTC

Bring da band on down, behind me, boyz n girlz...

My car dies yesterday, and while shopping, I need to rent a car.

Went to Price Line, got a great deal, walked 5 miles (felt good,
diet going well, etc) to pick up the, um, car... What a crock.

It's a Suburu 'Impreza'. 2011.

I never saw so much cheap ill fitted plastic in my life, the
turn signals can't be heard above a whisper, it has to have
the worst audio system on 4 wheels. Sure, it has a USB port,
plays .mp3s, etc, but has no mid or highs. I insert a CD that
I KNOW how it sounds, and *BOINK*..no highs at all.

I know how it sounds because I produced the commercial
CD for the band. I stop at a Best Buy, thinking this batch of
disks suck, but it's all there...sounds great, IIDSSM... :')

I fiddle with the controls, there are EQ settings..that do squat,
as I believe it's the speakers, 'tuned' for AM radio I guess.

My sister has a Suburu, and her system sounds real good, looks
like the same unit. But this car...puke. Very little Volume too.

Now I know the audio in a car is not the biggest deal, but I
wonder who picked these spkrs? Was he/she deaf?

Even when ya hit the alarm, it just wimpers a faggy 'bleep'..

Is this what cars are coming to?

Hit a dealer showing me a car, $5+k. He tells me it has a small
problem..a hole in the floorboard (3" round) and he says (quote):

"you'll have to fix that before you can get it inspected..."

I laughed all the way home.

Tommorrow I'm looking at a big gas pig that has less miles then
the 'floor board blessed' car, 1/2 the price, in dead mint shape.

If the pix I saw are anywhere near the item, It's mine...

Sorry for the rant...it's been a long day...

JJTj

Our country reeks of trees
Our yaks are really large
And they smell like rotting beef carcuses

And we have to clean up after them
And our saddle sores are the best
We proudly wear womens' clothing
And seering sandblows up our skirts!

And the buzzards, they soar overhead
And poisonous snakes will devour us whole
And our bones will bleach in the sun

That's it!

And we will probably go to hell
And that is our great reward
For being the
Ro-oy-oy-al
Canadian Kilted Yaksmen!

C'mon everybody!

Our country reeks of trees
Our yaks are really large
And they smell like rotting beef carcuses

And we have to clean up after them
And our saddle sores are the best
We proudly wear womens' clothing
And seering sand blows up our skirts

And the buzzards, they soar overhead
And poisonous snakes will devour whole
Our bones will bleach in the sun

And we will probably go to hell
And that is our great reward
For being the
Ro-oy-oy-al
Canadian
Kilted
YAKSMEN!

DGDevin

2011-05-10 21:48:25 UTC

Post by It's that Guy again...
Bring da band on down, behind me, boyz n girlz...
My car dies yesterday, and while shopping, I need to rent a car.
Went to Price Line, got a great deal, walked 5 miles (felt good,
diet going well, etc) to pick up the, um, car... What a crock.
It's a Suburu 'Impreza'. 2011.
I never saw so much cheap ill fitted plastic in my life, the
turn signals can't be heard above a whisper, it has to have
the worst audio system on 4 wheels. Sure, it has a USB port,
plays .mp3s, etc, but has no mid or highs. I insert a CD that
I KNOW how it sounds, and *BOINK*..no highs at all.

Last vehicle I rented was a PT Cruiser--what a piece of junk. Among other
things one electric windows was in the habit of lowering itself and then
refusing to go back up, at one point I thought I was going to have leave it
parked on the street overnight with one window down before suddenly it
decided to go back up. It was also a remarkably cramped vehicle despite it
looking like it had some serious cargo capacity from the outside.

When the factory stereo in my Detroit road-crusher died awhile back I
replaced it with a new unit that has USB etc., it's cool being able to plug
an iPod directly into the stereo, especially on long drives. But the new
stereo has *tiny* buttons and everything is controlled via menus and
submenus, so I just leave the tone set where it is and don't mess with
anything since I'd have to pull over and open the manual to make any
changes. Big controls with clear labels and no programming required is how
I like it, but apparently that's not how it's going to be done from now on.
Geez, the thing has a remote control, for a car stereo--talk about irony.

Tony Elka

2011-05-10 22:57:50 UTC

Post by DGDevin
When the factory stereo in my Detroit road-crusher died awhile back I
replaced it with a new unit that has USB etc., it's cool being able to plug
an iPod directly into the stereo, especially on long drives. But the new
stereo has *tiny* buttons and everything is controlled via menus and
submenus, so I just leave the tone set where it is and don't mess with
anything since I'd have to pull over and open the manual to make any
changes. Big controls with clear labels and no programming required is how
I like it, but apparently that's not how it's going to be done from now on.
Geez, the thing has a remote control, for a car stereo--talk about irony.

Maybe the remote control is for somebody in the back seat?

Tony

DGDevin

2011-05-11 00:21:00 UTC

Post by Tony Elka
Maybe the remote control is for somebody in the back seat?

On what planet would somebody in the back seat have more say than me in the
driver's seat about what the stereo is doing?

It's that Guy again...

2011-05-10 01:11:22 UTC

On Mon, 09 May 2011 18:42:54 -0700, Les Cargill

Post by Les Cargill
They also targeted the product line to country players in the '80s.
This means that the music store in Podunk, Ok had Peavey, not Fedner.

One reason that changed the whole amp business was shipping say,
Sunn 2000s with dual JBL cabs from the west coast to the east.

It wasn't cheap then, let along now, so Sunn built a small factory
in the midwest (I forget where), yet it was to little too late.

Peavey (when I was there) had a fleet of T/T trucks
shipping anything, anywhere. I don't know if they do
that now, but seeing all those trailers with the PV logo
was a sight. I think, IMHO, HP just tried diff things to
see how to cut costs to make the overall plan work.

Today's chains, like say G/C, I'm sure have their own
shipping network between stores, like Daddy's does
around here. Shipping is a big factor boys n girls..

JJTj

Remember this:

EVERYTHING that you have EVER experienced in your
entire life has brought you to THIS instance!

ALL things now are possiable in the
limitless void of COUNTER ACTUALITY !

ALL things too, that are knowable will
be realized in this new dimension of :

BIKINI GIRLS WITH MACHINE GUNS !!!!!

Well..

I've been a drag racer on LSD,
and I rode bare-assed on top of the Sphinx,
I even had a gorilla on the slopes of Kismet,
and man, that was fun for a while you bet..

...but...

Bikini Girls with Machine Guns,
Bikini Girls with machine guns, awww.
that stuff will kill ya, & it's loaded with fun,
Bikini Girls with Machine Guns..

well I savored many foriegn kinds of delicacies,
intoxicated til I can't tell what the hell I could see,
had all the violence and liquor within close reach,
but all bars, pills and three ways lead me back to the beach...

...yeah...

Bikini Girls with Machine Guns,
Bikini Girls with Machine Guns, awww.
that stuff will kill ya, & it's loaded with fun
..yeah..
Bikini Girls with Machine Guns..

now they say that virtue is it's own reward,
but when that surf comes in I'm gunna get my board,
I got my own ideas about the righteous kick,
n you can keep the reward, I'd just as soon stay sick...

Bikini Girls with Machine Guns,
Bikini Girls with Machine Guns,
that stuff will kill ya, & it's loaded with fun,
..oh..
Bikini Girls with Machine Guns...

Bikini Girls with Machine Guns,
Bikini Girls with machine guns, awww.
that stuff will kill ya, & it's loaded with fun,
Bikini Girls with Machine Guns..

Les Cargill

2011-05-10 03:50:00 UTC

Post by It's that Guy again...
On Mon, 09 May 2011 18:42:54 -0700, Les Cargill

Post by Les Cargill
They also targeted the product line to country players in the '80s.
This means that the music store in Podunk, Ok had Peavey, not Fedner.

It may actually be somewhat cheaper now, especially if
you partner with Brown or Fedex. I personally think Sunn
was just out of step - places got smaller, PA got bigger
for the big places ( JBL & Cerwin-Vega both won that war ) and
big amps went out of style.
I know as early as 1980 I got a whale of a deal on a bass cab
with 4 15", the Sunn with the two angled baffles. Nice cab. Just
think if you could load that now with 600W drivers...

That cab was great - longer throw than a flat face bass cab, but not
as long as a folded horn. Very little stage level, but knockin'
the back wall out. Had wheels, so as long as there was a ramp,
you never had to lift it.

Post by It's that Guy again...
Peavey (when I was there) had a fleet of T/T trucks
shipping anything, anywhere. I don't know if they do
that now, but seeing all those trailers with the PV logo
was a sight. I think, IMHO, HP just tried diff things to
see how to cut costs to make the overall plan work.

Yeah.

Post by It's that Guy again...
Today's chains, like say G/C, I'm sure have their own
shipping network between stores, like Daddy's does
around here. Shipping is a big factor boys n girls..

Yes it is. Especially from China. That's another
reason neodymium and switchers/class H are
big in bass rigs now.

Amateurs talk tone, but pros talk logistics... size
weight and power...

Post by It's that Guy again...
JJTj

<snip>
--
Les Cargill

It's that Guy again...

2011-05-10 02:09:56 UTC

On Mon, 09 May 2011 20:50:00 -0700, Les Cargill

Post by Les Cargill

Post by It's that Guy again...
Today's chains, like say G/C, I'm sure have their own
shipping network between stores, like Daddy's does
around here. Shipping is a big factor boys n girls..

Yes it is. Especially from China.

I was at a GC a few weeks ago, and I saw C/Vega
folded horn cabs with speakers that were made in China.

THINK how cheap they must buy it at to get all that
weight from there to here, and still under cost it to
make it worth while instead of making it here.....

Makes me sick....

Although boat bulk shipping from China must cost
overall less, but still. How cheap do they buy it?

Maybe they did what Marshall (M/Unicord days) tried,
shipping empty cabs and spkrs separate, thus the duty
(heheheh I said duty...) was for "..unfinished goods.."
(much less then finished). Marshall in the Rose Morris
days had a guy in shipping who sent pot back n forth
that way..damaged cabs were shipped back to the UK
I think for that reason. I was called to check out a cab
that weighed 2x what it should (it reached the dealer)
and apon opening it, found 2 bricks of some nasty good
weed, and a oz of hash. Of course, hehehehe, I 'fixed'
the cab for 'warranty' $$$ and pocketed the booty..

Give me 'dat ol time religion...

The guy got caught and fired about a month later..

..no, I didn't stooge on him...

Another funny tale, I once fixed a fresh shipped 360
Acoustic that made nasty noise in the cab. Opening it
up, there was a cheese sandwich (well wrapped) & a hammer.

Dude at the dealer opened up the wrapper and ate it
before my eyes. I still have the hammer in my tool case.

Ya can't make this stuff up, folks...

JJTj

Don't agree ?

The complaint dept is on the roof...

<..take the stairs..>

DeeAa

2011-05-09 20:05:54 UTC

It's proving surprisingly hard to find any hard data / production
numbers...at least 4 free.

What I'm quite certain of is that whatever our guesses, it's gonna be
skewed by where we live.
There's millions of Chinese for instance making music - whatever is
the most used amp in China could easily be the most ever produced amp.

And, I'm also quite sure the best selling amp ever is gonna be
something costing a hundred or two - cheap stuff anyway,

Cheers,

Dee

Chuck

2011-05-10 03:26:48 UTC

Post by DeeAa

It's proving surprisingly hard to find any hard data / production
numbers...at least 4 free.
What I'm quite certain of is that whatever our guesses, it's gonna be
skewed by where we live.
There's millions of Chinese for instance making music - whatever is
the most used amp in China could easily be the most ever produced amp.
And, I'm also quite sure the best selling amp ever is gonna be
something costing a hundred or two - cheap stuff anyway,
Cheers,
Dee

I ran into the same thing. Good numbers are hard to come by. I
guess that's proprietary information - especially for non-public
corp.s like Peavey and some others. This has been one of the more
interesting threads around here lately. Glad I happened upon it.

Jim

2011-05-10 05:06:49 UTC

Post by Chuck

Post by TD Madden

Just raw numbers: there are 4000 Fender amps and 1000 Peavey amps
listed in USA Ebay today.

Which means nothing, yet maybe PV's last longer, are saved
and not sold as often, and the market at the moment.

I searched MY HOUSE. Fender wins brand (five). Twin Reverb wins model
(three at the moment).
Peavey was in clear second, but after selling the Mace, I now only have
the Triple X.

I have more GIBSON (8) than either....

So is this an opinion poll, or did any of you geniuses think to
actually research the production numbers of particular amps?

A) How do you do that?

B) I started this "home survey" as a tongue-in-cheek comment because it
happened to match up to what appeared to be a consensus: Fender and Twin.

C) Lighten up? It was not intended to be a serious answer.

Post by Chuck
I haven't
seen ONE reference here (including from a couple of you whom I KNOW
know better to actual numbers. I don't have time to do it right this
minute, but you can bet the numbers are out there if you know where to
look.
My guess? JJtJ is right - Peavey has probably produced more amps
overall.

That's also my guess. Which is why I mentioned that I now only have
one, having recently sold my Mace. I forgot to mention that I also
owned a Classic 60/60 power amp before that, and would've said that
Peavey ran a CLOSE second to Fender. ...in my home survey, until recently.

But I'm betting that Peavey has sold more amps than Fender. Also
betting that at some point in the near future, it'll be some generic
Chinese company building generic SS practice and modeling amps under
various labels.

Fender is likely to have produced more of any one single

Post by Chuck
model that any other maker - but unlikely to have made the greatest
number of amps in total.
Whassa matter, you guys don't have work to do?

DGDevin

2011-05-10 18:27:42 UTC

Post by Luigi Vercotti
I've seen both factories up close and personal, and AT THAT TIME
PV was producing more #s of more models then Fender was. Times
may of changed, yet my sources at BOTH places tell me that Fender
NOW is cutting back production numbers yet producing more models,
while PV is cutting back the number of models, and increasing the
production #s of those models. Dice tosses of 2 poker hands..

This reminds me a bit of the Harley Davidson vs. every other brand debate.
There is no question than any Japanese bike maker produces a superior
product to H-D, some of the European companies too. And yet Harley is an
icon despite the brand's mechanical shortcomings, the legend has far
surpassed the technical aspects of motorcycle design and the Japanese
companies are forced to make bikes that look like Harleys.

When a company designing amp modeling software is making the list of tones
they want to emulate, have they ever asked themselves which model of Peavey
they're going to include? Maybe the 5150? Fender, Marshall, Hiwatt, Ampeg
and so on seem to be the brands that count when it comes to public
perception. Is has to be a little irritating for the folks at Peavey to
know what however many millions of dollars they make, the public thinks
"guitar amplifier" means Marshall and Fender.

Rufus

2011-05-10 19:00:09 UTC

..."better" is always in the eye of the buyer. It's a matter of what
people *want* vs what someone wants them to have. I own two Harleys -
because that's what I want to have.

Post by DGDevin
When a company designing amp modeling software is making the list of
tones they want to emulate, have they ever asked themselves which model
of Peavey they're going to include? Maybe the 5150? Fender, Marshall,
Hiwatt, Ampeg and so on seem to be the brands that count when it comes
to public perception. Is has to be a little irritating for the folks at
Peavey to know what however many millions of dollars they make, the
public thinks "guitar amplifier" means Marshall and Fender.

Personally, I hate Fender amps. The only one I own is a Fender Champion
600, and I have that loaned out at present. OTOH, there is at least one
vintage Music Man amp I wouldn't mind getting hold of.

I also got over Marshall some time ago - they just don't suit what I do,
like the sound of them or not - which I do. I had a Peavey Black Widow
Mace and I sold it for far too little...I'll never do that again.

--
- Rufus

DGDevin

2011-05-10 20:27:56 UTC

Post by Rufus
..."better" is always in the eye of the buyer.

Not exactly, when it comes to something with technical specs there are
objective criteria that can't be ignored. Anyone is free to like a brand or
model more than another for purely personal reasons, but if their favorite
is slower and less maneuverable etc. then they can't logically claim it's
better. There are guys who are crazy about vintage British bikes despite
them being oil-spitting maintenance nightmares, but their affection for such
machines doesn't make them better bikes than the stuff Japan has been making
for decades.

Post by Rufus
It's a matter of what people *want* vs what someone wants them to have. I
own two Harleys - because that's what I want to have.

My friends who own Harleys would agree, but they'd also admit that they
could buy a Japanese bike for way less money that would outperform their
Harley and be more reliable.

However I wasn't trying to suggest Peaveys are technically inferior to
Fenders, merely that they don't have the image of Fender or Marshall. Like
'em or not, when the public thinks "guitar amp" the brands they think of are
Marshall and Fender.

moonpie

2011-05-10 20:57:05 UTC

On Tue, 10 May 2011 13:27:56 -0700, "DGDevin"

Post by Rufus
..."better" is always in the eye of the buyer.

Now you're assigning your definition to the term "better".

It doesnt work like that. Somebody could have a bike that slower, less
maneuverable, etc, but have maybe a more bitchin back seat, or a fuel
tank they love, etc etc

"better" cant be defined like that. Its a subjective term.

DGDevin

2011-05-10 21:09:12 UTC

Post by moonpie

Post by DGDevin
Not exactly, when it comes to something with technical specs there are
objective criteria that can't be ignored. Anyone is free to like a brand or
model more than another for purely personal reasons, but if their favorite
is slower and less maneuverable etc. then they can't logically claim it's
better.

Now you're assigning your definition to the term "better".

No, I'm not. I'm saying that a less expensive, more reliable bike with
superior performance specs is better. If you're saying that a more
expensive, less reliable bike with inferior performance specs is better
*because you like it more* then I think we're speaking different languages.

Post by moonpie
It doesnt work like that. Somebody could have a bike that slower, less
maneuverable, etc, but have maybe a more bitchin back seat, or a fuel
tank they love, etc etc
"better" cant be defined like that. Its a subjective term.

No, it isn't. You can love the way a Harley looks, the way it sounds, the
bitch seat, the image--you can prefer it in every way to whatever model
Honda or Yamaha or whatever. But if the Honda is faster, turns tighter,
costs less and requires less maintenance, then by any reasonable definition
it is a better bike. Doesn't mean you have to prefer it to a Harley
however, if you like being unable to read the speedometer due to vibration,
cool, enjoy the ride.

Rufus

2011-05-11 00:35:15 UTC

Post by moonpie

Post by DGDevin
Not exactly, when it comes to something with technical specs there are
objective criteria that can't be ignored. Anyone is free to like a
brand or
model more than another for purely personal reasons, but if their favorite
is slower and less maneuverable etc. then they can't logically claim it's
better.

Now you're assigning your definition to the term "better".

No, it isn't. You can love the way a Harley looks, the way it sounds,
the bitch seat, the image--you can prefer it in every way to whatever
model Honda or Yamaha or whatever. But if the Honda is faster, turns
tighter, costs less and requires less maintenance, then by any
reasonable definition it is a better bike. Doesn't mean you have to
prefer it to a Harley however, if you like being unable to read the
speedometer due to vibration, cool, enjoy the ride.

...the most useless item on a motorcycle (any motorcycle) *is* the
speedometer...mirrors come in second...

...and faster/tighter turning/costs less ain't necessarily "better".
All depends on what you want to do with the bike. Or anything.

--
- Rufus

Rufus

2011-05-11 00:30:36 UTC

Post by moonpie
On Tue, 10 May 2011 13:27:56 -0700, "DGDevin"

Post by Rufus
..."better" is always in the eye of the buyer.

Now you're assigning your definition to the term "better".
It doesnt work like that. Somebody could have a bike that slower, less
maneuverable, etc, but have maybe a more bitchin back seat, or a fuel
tank they love, etc etc
"better" cant be defined like that. Its a subjective term.

...chicks *dig* Harleys. Trust me...they ain't called "Milwaukee
vibrators" for nuthin'.

Which is a bit of a shock, the first time you realize that...

--
- Rufus

Rufus

2011-05-11 00:28:55 UTC

Post by Rufus
..."better" is always in the eye of the buyer.

Not exactly, when it comes to something with technical specs there are
objective criteria that can't be ignored. Anyone is free to like a brand
or model more than another for purely personal reasons, but if their
favorite is slower and less maneuverable etc. then they can't logically
claim it's better. There are guys who are crazy about vintage British
bikes despite them being oil-spitting maintenance nightmares, but their
affection for such machines doesn't make them better bikes than the
stuff Japan has been making for decades.

I ignore technical specs all the time - and I'm an engineer by
profession. When it comes to something where feel, sound, ergonomics,
taste, etc. are key factors I could give a crap about specs. Evidently
so do a lot of other people. TVs are a prime example where specs mean
squat to me - it's about what I can see in the picture.

Post by Rufus
It's a matter of what people *want* vs what someone wants them to
have. I own two Harleys - because that's what I want to have.

My friends who own Harleys would agree, but they'd also admit that they
could buy a Japanese bike for way less money that would outperform their
Harley and be more reliable.

...back to what you *want*. You get what you pay for, and they'll
charge you for it when you want it.

Besides, I'll live longer going slower. And my old Yamaha was the
biggest chunk of crap on two wheels I've ever thrown a leg over...if I
were to buy something other than a Harley it would probably be a BMW.
Unless it was a dirt bike - then I'd buy a Honda.

Post by DGDevin
However I wasn't trying to suggest Peaveys are technically inferior to
Fenders, merely that they don't have the image of Fender or Marshall.
Like 'em or not, when the public thinks "guitar amp" the brands they
think of are Marshall and Fender.

Yeah...don't mean they're "better", though...for the "job at hand". And
that's what really counts - what fits the guy using the amp and how he's
using it.

--
- Rufus

Tony Elka

2011-05-10 20:10:37 UTC

Post by DGDevin
This reminds me a bit of the Harley Davidson vs. every other brand debate.
There is no question than any Japanese bike maker produces a superior
product to H-D, some of the European companies too. And yet Harley is an
icon despite the brand's mechanical shortcomings, the legend has far
surpassed the technical aspects of motorcycle design and the Japanese
companies are forced to make bikes that look like Harleys.

The Hammond B3 come to mind too.

Tony

DGDevin

2011-05-10 21:11:53 UTC

Post by Tony Elka
The Hammond B3 come to mind too.
Tony

Or Rick 12-strings. People like all kinds of funky hardware that has been
surpassed by other brands and models, once a certain tone becomes nailed
down as what the world wants then folks will put up with the hardware that
makes that sound.

Bruno Puntz Jones

2011-05-10 22:02:02 UTC

Post by Tony Elka
The Hammond B3 come to mind too.

You can sample it, you can digital-ize it, and
morph it how ever ya want, but NO B3 CLONE
comes FUCKING close to a REAL tube B3 with
a Leslie or two. OK, what was the same KB
with a diff case..the 'L' or C' 100 IMMSMW.

I laugh at all these wanna-be's who think
all they have to do is boot the PC, load some
program that places the IMAGE of the amp,
KB, synth, etc, and they play on some $99
midi keys, and think it's the real thing. They
buy all these studio plug ins and think the
effect they see on the screen clones the
item they want to jerk off to, and they have
NO IDEA what the item even is in the real world.

Seperates reality from the wankers...

JJTj

Hey Punk, where you goin' with that flower in your hand?
Hey Punk, where you goin' with that flower in your hand?

Well, I'm goin' up to Frisco to join a psychedelic band.
I'm goin' up to Frisco to join a psychedelic band.

Hey Punk, where you goin' with that button on your shirt?
Hey Punk, where you goin' with that button on your shirt?

I'm goin' to the love-in to sit & play my bongos in the dirt.
Yes, I'm goin' to the love-in to sit & play my bongos in the dirt.

Hey Punk, where you goin' with that hair on your head?
Hey Punk, where you goin' with that hair on your head?

I'm goin' to the dance to get some action, then I'm goin' home to bed.
I'm goin' to the dance to get some action, then I'm goin' home to bed.

Hey Punk, where you goin' with those beads around your neck?
Hey Punk, where you goin' with those beads around your neck?

I'm goin' to the shrink so he can help me be a nervous wreck . . .

Hey Punk!
Punky!
Hey Punk!
Punk!
Hey Punk!
(Hey Punk!)
Hey Punk!
Hey Punk!
Punky!
(Hey Punk!)
Hey-hey!
(Hey Punk!)
Go man, go . . . go man, go . . .
Just a little bit softer
Golly, do I ever have a lot of soul!
Punk, I think I love you!
Come on, Roy
Questi dominga?

Let me see that nose, it didn't . . .
Orale!
I wanna know for sure!
Leave my nose alone please!
What are you trying to do?
He's gonna stand over there
Bigashi' nunga!
But this is Cheetah
Buirote
Chita!

FZ on the left:
It's one of the most exciting things that's ever happened to me. You know, every time I think about how lucky I am to be in the rock & roll industry, it's SO exciting. You know, when I first got into the rock & roll business I could barely even play the changes to this song on my, on my guitar. But now I'm very proficient at it, I can play the guitar, I can strum it rhythmically, I can sing along with my guitar as I strum. I can strum, sing, dance, I can make merry fun all over the stage. And you know, it's so wonderful to . . . It's wonderful to feel that I'm doing something for the kids, because I know that the kids and their music are where it's at. The youth of America today is so wonderful . . . And I'm proud to be a part of this gigantic mass deception. I hope she sees me twirling, yes . . . I hope she sees me dancing and twirling, I will say: "Hello, dolly!" Is the song over?

FZ on the right:
Boy, this is really exciting, making a rock & roll record. I can't even wait until our record comes out and the teen-agers start to buy it. We'll all be rich and famous! When my royalty check comes I think I'm going to buy a Mustang. No, I think I'll . . . I think I'll get a Corvette. No, I think I'll get a Harley Davidson. No, I don't think I'll buy any of those cars. I think what I will do is I will buy a boat. No, that wouldn't be good either. I think, ah, I'll go into real estate. I think I would like to . . . I think I would like to buy La Cienega Boulevard. No, that wouldn't do any good. Gee, I wonder if they can see me up here, twirling my tambourine and dancing . . .
Maybe after the show one of the girls who sees me up here, singing and twirling my tambourine and dancing, will like me. And she will come over to me and I will walk . . . I will walk up to her and I will smile at her and I will impress her and I will say: "Hello, baby, what's a girl like you doing in a place like this? I'm from a rock & roll band, I think we should . . . "
Is the song over?

Center mumbling:
Ay, ay!
Mingia!
There she is!
Ay!
Buirote.
When do we get paid for this?
Ay, ay!
. . . papa . . . huevos
Huevos?
Rock, bop, rock & roll
Rock, bop . . .
One more time!
Un . . .
Stop sloppy rock & roll
Bop bop bop!
YEAH! WHEEE!

Tony Elka

2011-05-10 22:56:24 UTC

Post by Bruno Puntz Jones

Post by Tony Elka
The Hammond B3 come to mind too.

By the time it goes out through the PA, or gets mixed on the album,
there is no discernible difference to anyone other than a Hammond B3
wanker.

But by all means, carry that wooden box of oily motors around if you
like. Patented in the 1930's, based on 1920's technology (it's a
friggin clock motor originally), you go ahead and be a furniture mover
if you like.

Tony

It's that Guy again...

2011-05-10 23:13:33 UTC

On Tue, 10 May 2011 15:56:24 -0700, Tony Elka

Post by Tony Elka
By the time it goes out through the PA, or gets mixed on the album,
there is no discernible difference to anyone other than a Hammond B3
wanker.

Such a statement just proves you have no clue.. You just accept
anything that comes over the spkrs, not the feel needed to play.

Post by Tony Elka
But by all means, carry that wooden box of oily motors around if you
like. Patented in the 1930's, based on 1920's technology (it's a
friggin clock motor originally), you go ahead and be a furniture mover
if you like.

I don't play KBs. But if you can't tell the diff between a real
B3/etc and some clone digital sampled wanna be then that
is your problem. Shouldn't you be beating your wife by now?

....seems it's the only 'talent' you have......

JJTj

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a college coed who constantly defies her faculty advisor and as a
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--------------------

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spanking parties in Las Vegas. His wife and business partner Eve Howard is
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Les Cargill

2011-05-11 01:06:46 UTC

Post by Bruno Puntz Jones

Post by Tony Elka
The Hammond B3 come to mind too.

The UI for a B3 is *VASTLY* different. But a
B3 isn't an instrument, it's a way of life.

Soundwise... ROMplers get pretty close - close
enough for bar or stage work. Then again, what
you get in the mains, even good mains, is not
what you get in a good room. SFAIK, an XB3 is
a ROMpler.

It is just not that hard to emulate a tone
wheel digitally. It's even easier to sample
it. Now, the Leslie, in a good room? Harder,
but not impossible.

This:
http://www.kvraudio.com/db/leslie_by_mda
plus a room reverb... is pretty dern nice.
Doesn't clip in interesting ways, but it's
close enough for headphones.

Post by Bruno Puntz Jones
I laugh at all these wanna-be's who think
all they have to do is boot the PC, load some
program that places the IMAGE of the amp,
KB, synth, etc, and they play on some $99
midi keys, and think it's the real thing.

You think they think that? I think it's
just cheaper than adding a bedroom to store
the B3 myself... It's 90% there for
1/1000th the cost... not that I know that much
about B3s, even.

The point I think these fellas are trying to make is
that a B3 is like yer horse - you get attached to it.
Same with some big ole Cold War era amp, a
Harley or that dang dog you got...

Post by Bruno Puntz Jones
They
buy all these studio plug ins and think the
effect they see on the screen clones the
item they want to jerk off to, and they have
NO IDEA what the item even is in the real world.
Seperates reality from the wankers...

If you will listen carefully to what's bed
music for TV these days, an *awful* lot of it
is exactly that.

It's even better than the real thing... :)

Post by Bruno Puntz Jones
JJTj

--
Les Cargill

Bruce Morgen

2011-05-11 00:11:07 UTC

Your AGA buddy, Lard Vulva,
thinks a current digital
product from Asia bearing
the "Hammond" name comes
very close, iirc -- the
point being that while
software alone can't
approximate a B-3, maybe a
combination of software and
purpose-built hardware can,
and be much cheaper, more
durable, and easier to haul
around and keep healthy than
an actual B-3.

Post by Bruno Puntz Jones

Post by Tony Elka
The Hammond B3 come to mind too.

You can sample it, you can digital-ize it, and
morph it how ever ya want, but NO B3 CLONE
comes FUCKING close to a REAL tube B3 with
a Leslie or two. OK, what was the same KB
with a diff case..the 'L' or C' 100 IMMSMW.
I laugh at all these wanna-be's who think
all they have to do is boot the PC, load some
program that places the IMAGE of the amp,
KB, synth, etc, and they play on some $99
midi keys, and think it's the real thing. They
buy all these studio plug ins and think the
effect they see on the screen clones the
item they want to jerk off to, and they have
NO IDEA what the item even is in the real world.
Seperates reality from the wankers...
JJTj
Hey Punk, where you goin' with that flower in your hand?
Hey Punk, where you goin' with that flower in your hand?
Well, I'm goin' up to Frisco to join a psychedelic band.
I'm goin' up to Frisco to join a psychedelic band.
Hey Punk, where you goin' with that button on your shirt?
Hey Punk, where you goin' with that button on your shirt?
I'm goin' to the love-in to sit & play my bongos in the dirt.
Yes, I'm goin' to the love-in to sit & play my bongos in the dirt.
Hey Punk, where you goin' with that hair on your head?
Hey Punk, where you goin' with that hair on your head?
I'm goin' to the dance to get some action, then I'm goin' home to bed.
I'm goin' to the dance to get some action, then I'm goin' home to bed.
Hey Punk, where you goin' with those beads around your neck?
Hey Punk, where you goin' with those beads around your neck?
I'm goin' to the shrink so he can help me be a nervous wreck . . .
Hey Punk!
Punky!
Hey Punk!
Punk!
Hey Punk!
(Hey Punk!)
Hey Punk!
Hey Punk!
Punky!
(Hey Punk!)
Hey-hey!
(Hey Punk!)
Go man, go . . . go man, go . . .
Just a little bit softer
Golly, do I ever have a lot of soul!
Punk, I think I love you!
Come on, Roy
Questi dominga?
Let me see that nose, it didn't . . .
Orale!
I wanna know for sure!
Leave my nose alone please!
What are you trying to do?
He's gonna stand over there
Bigashi' nunga!
But this is Cheetah
Buirote
Chita!
It's one of the most exciting things that's ever happened to me. You know, every time I think about how lucky I am to be in the rock & roll industry, it's SO exciting. You know, when I first got into the rock & roll business I could barely even play the changes to this song on my, on my guitar. But now I'm very proficient at it, I can play the guitar, I can strum it rhythmically, I can sing along with my guitar as I strum. I can strum, sing, dance, I can make merry fun all over the stage. And you know, it's so wonderful to . . . It's wonderful to feel that I'm doing something for the kids, because I know that the kids and their music are where it's at. The youth of America today is so wonderful . . . And I'm proud to be a part of this gigantic mass deception. I hope she sees me twirling, yes . . . I hope she sees me dancing and twirling, I will say: "Hello, dolly!" Is the song over?
Boy, this is really exciting, making a rock & roll record. I can't even wait until our record comes out and the teen-agers start to buy it. We'll all be rich and famous! When my royalty check comes I think I'm going to buy a Mustang. No, I think I'll . . . I think I'll get a Corvette. No, I think I'll get a Harley Davidson. No, I don't think I'll buy any of those cars. I think what I will do is I will buy a boat. No, that wouldn't be good either. I think, ah, I'll go into real estate. I think I would like to . . . I think I would like to buy La Cienega Boulevard. No, that wouldn't do any good. Gee, I wonder if they can see me up here, twirling my tambourine and dancing . . .
Maybe after the show one of the girls who sees me up here, singing and twirling my tambourine and dancing, will like me. And she will come over to me and I will walk . . . I will walk up to her and I will smile at her and I will impress her and I will say: "Hello, baby, what's a girl like you doing in a place like this? I'm from a rock & roll band, I think we should . . . "
Is the song over?
Ay, ay!
Mingia!
There she is!
Ay!
Buirote.
When do we get paid for this?
Ay, ay!
. . . papa . . . huevos
Huevos?
Rock, bop, rock & roll
Rock, bop . . .
One more time!
Un . . .
Stop sloppy rock & roll
Bop bop bop!
YEAH! WHEEE!

Les Cargill

2011-05-11 02:26:11 UTC

Post by Bruce Morgen
Your AGA buddy, Lard Vulva,
thinks a current digital
product from Asia bearing
the "Hammond" name comes
very close, iirc -- the
point being that while
software alone can't
approximate a B-3, maybe a
combination of software and
purpose-built hardware can,

... it doesn't have to be all
that special-built - one can
sample the output of a real B3
just fine and ... horrors! ...
the result will be electrically
identical to a Real B3.

An XB3 is in essence a special-purpose
computer.

And if that doesn't work, I have
"made" a B3 "tone wheel" before by
bandlimiting noise in CoolEdit96 -
which is exactly how a tone wheel
works in real life.

Either way, it's all software.

Post by Bruce Morgen
and be much cheaper, more
durable, and easier to haul
around and keep healthy than
an actual B-3.

Mainly, it's more replicable. And
it might even be actual equal temperament,
unlike a real B3.
--
Les Cargill

RichL

2011-05-10 22:48:29 UTC

Post by Tony Elka
The Hammond B3 come to mind too.
Tony

Yikes!! Ric-12s? The kindest thing I can think of to say in response is
that guitars are pretty subjective. Personally, I've held lots of 12-string
electric in my hands and played 'em and I can't think of a one that I'd
trade my Ric for. Never mind the sound. The feel. The balance. The
lightness. The compactness of the headstock. The neck. The string
ordering. The quality of construction.

I'm curious as to what electric-12 model you think has "surpassed" it.

Bruce Morgen

2011-05-11 00:22:21 UTC

Post by RichL

Post by Tony Elka
The Hammond B3 come to mind too.
Tony

Yikes!! Ric-12s? The kindest thing I can think of to say in response is
that guitars are pretty subjective. Personally, I've held lots of 12-string
electric in my hands and played 'em and I can't think of a one that I'd
trade my Ric for. Never mind the sound. The feel. The balance. The
lightness. The compactness of the headstock. The neck. The string
ordering. The quality of construction.
I'm curious as to what electric-12 model you think has "surpassed" it.

Well, Les Fradkin is a well-
known electric 12-string
specialist, and he limits
the use of his Rick to the
studio. For live work, he
much prefers his Fender XII
-- a failure in the market
for sure, but a much more
practical and reliable
instrument for a working pro
than the quirky, finicky
Rick, which was saved from
obscurity by George Harrison
who in turn inspired Roger
McGuinn to adopt it and thus
establish a notably weirdass
design as a classic. :-)

DGDevin

2011-05-11 00:23:10 UTC

Post by RichL
Yikes!! Ric-12s? The kindest thing I can think of to say in response is
that guitars are pretty subjective. Personally, I've held lots of
12-string electric in my hands and played 'em and I can't think of a one
that I'd trade my Ric for.

I suppose I was thinking of a guitar repair shop with a sign reading, "We
charge extra to work on Rickenbackers".

It's that Guy again...

2011-05-11 00:35:53 UTC

On Tue, 10 May 2011 17:23:10 -0700, "DGDevin"

Post by DGDevin
I suppose I was thinking of a guitar repair shop with a sign reading, "We
charge extra to work on Rickenbackers".

Don't laugh, alot of people do charge more..

A 12-st Ric with the wrong strings and set up
by someone who has no clue about Rics sucks.

Set up right..I love mine.

The Fender is also a great axe, the ES335-12 I could
never handle, too top heavy, and sounded weak.

JJTj

You know those Kix just keep getting harder to find..
...and Frosted Flakes ain't giving you peace of mind..
You better chow down more Bran cakes, now..
..and get yer ass straight...

JNugent

2011-05-06 23:13:04 UTC

My guess would be Vox ( because of all the early 60's sales ) altho I
agree with meat plow Marshall came imediatlty to mind ). If thats
right then I guess the AC30

The Vox AC30 only came into existence in 1960 or so. The Fender Twin was
well-established by then.

The Twin has been in constant production ever since it was introduced (with
maybe a month or two gap when factories were being moved between locations),
in a continental and global market.

The AC30 - a great amp - I have an original handwired version - has not
enjoyed such continuity of production or demand.

Grinner

2011-05-10 10:02:32 UTC

Post by JNugent

My guess would be Vox ( because of all the early 60's sales ) altho I
agree with meat plow Marshall came imediatlty to mind ). If thats
right then I guess the AC30

The Vox AC30 only came into existence in 1960 or so. The Fender Twin was
well-established by then.
The Twin has been in constant production ever since it was introduced
(with maybe a month or two gap when factories were being moved between
locations), in a continental and global market.
The AC30 - a great amp - I have an original handwired version - has not
enjoyed such continuity of production or demand.

i bought an ac30 about 3 years ago. swappeed out the warfdales for
celestion blues, nice ...

with in 3 months it had been in and out of repairs three times. off loaded
real quick

chineee know how, can't beat it.

Rufus

2011-05-07 01:41:53 UTC

My guess would be Vox ( because of all the early 60's sales ) altho I
agree with meat plow Marshall came imediatlty to mind ). If thats
right then I guess the AC30
Jim

I've heard the AC30 is the most recorded amp, but that probably doesn't
translate to best selling.

--
- Rufus

Meat Plow

2011-05-08 17:46:14 UTC

Post by jtees4
Help. I have a bet and can't find the answer. Google hasn't helped, or
at least I can't find it.
1. What is the best selling BRAND of guitar amp of all time....meaning
cumulative total sales for the overall brand? 2. What is the all time
best selling MODEL amp of all time?
I certainly know the answer to #1, number 2 I'm not 100% sure.

My guess would be Vox ( because of all the early 60's sales ) altho I
agree with meat plow Marshall came imediatlty to mind ). If thats right
then I guess the AC30
Jim

Vox would have been a decent guess but I'll stick with Marshall. Now, is
best selling amp a question of volume of sales or total revenue from
sales?

--
Live Fast Die Young, Leave A Pretty Corpse

Rufus

2011-05-08 18:58:56 UTC

Post by Meat Plow

Post by jtees4
Help. I have a bet and can't find the answer. Google hasn't helped, or
at least I can't find it.
1. What is the best selling BRAND of guitar amp of all time....meaning
cumulative total sales for the overall brand? 2. What is the all time
best selling MODEL amp of all time?
I certainly know the answer to #1, number 2 I'm not 100% sure.

My guess would be Vox ( because of all the early 60's sales ) altho I
agree with meat plow Marshall came imediatlty to mind ). If thats right
then I guess the AC30
Jim

Vox would have been a decent guess but I'll stick with Marshall. Now, is
best selling amp a question of volume of sales or total revenue from
sales?

I'd go with sheer numbers when it comes to "best selling" of anything -
volume of sales.

--
- Rufus

LULU

2011-05-06 21:57:30 UTC

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

My #1 guess for the best selling guitar amplifier model is Fender's
humble Champion. There have been many variations and mutations of the
venerable Champ throughout the years. Danelectro was a "jobber"
company and manufactured amps for Sears and Montgomery Wards, so there
were many of those "budget" units sold as well, via catalog. Early
Peavey SS cheapies were absolutely everywhere in their day. The
correct answer might well be one of the Asian companies like Samick.
They make product that's sold under so many "brand names" that it's
hard to keep track of exactly which amps they produce. The Fender
Twin and Bassman are undoubtedly the most copied guitar amps.

Lulu : )

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

jtees4

2011-05-07 01:25:42 UTC

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
My #1 guess for the best selling guitar amplifier model is Fender's
humble Champion. There have been many variations and mutations of the
venerable Champ throughout the years. Danelectro was a "jobber"
company and manufactured amps for Sears and Montgomery Wards, so there
were many of those "budget" units sold as well, via catalog. Early
Peavey SS cheapies were absolutely everywhere in their day. The
correct answer might well be one of the Asian companies like Samick.
They make product that's sold under so many "brand names" that it's
hard to keep track of exactly which amps they produce. The Fender
Twin and Bassman are undoubtedly the most copied guitar amps.
Lulu : )
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

The Champ is a real possibility.

unknown

2011-05-07 01:42:41 UTC

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
My #1 guess for the best selling guitar amplifier model is Fender's
humble Champion. There have been many variations and mutations of the
venerable Champ throughout the years. Danelectro was a "jobber"
company and manufactured amps for Sears and Montgomery Wards, so there
were many of those "budget" units sold as well, via catalog. Early
Peavey SS cheapies were absolutely everywhere in their day. The
correct answer might well be one of the Asian companies like Samick.
They make product that's sold under so many "brand names" that it's
hard to keep track of exactly which amps they produce. The Fender
Twin and Bassman are undoubtedly the most copied guitar amps.
Lulu : )
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

The Champ is a real possibility.

Could be, but they stopped making them for quite a long time, and only
introduced the 'reissue' type stuff recently (if I recall correctly?)

I've also only ever seen one real Fender Champ (SF VicroChamp in the
studio we recorded in recently) 'in the flesh'. Twins are *everywhere*.

On the flipside of that, more Champs may have been sold as they were
'practice' amps of the day I guess. Maybe they just weren't sold in
Australia in any kind of decent numbers (which is a shame).

VampX

2011-05-06 23:35:11 UTC

2. Pignose 7-100!!
http://www.pignoseamps.com/index.php?disp=detail&subcat=portamps&id=253

How many buskers do you know use these things? Answer: all of them.

--
Vampx
www.modernguitartuitiononline.com
www.scartissue.com.au

dvaoa

2011-05-06 23:45:40 UTC

2. Pignose 7-100!!http://www.pignoseamps.com/index.php?disp=detail&subcat=portamps&id=253
How many buskers do you know use these things? Answer: all of them.
--
Vampxwww.modernguitartuitiononline.comwww.scartissue.com.au

I thought buskers use Roland Micro Cubes...

-d

jtees4

2011-05-07 01:25:12 UTC

Post by VampX

2. Pignose 7-100!!
http://www.pignoseamps.com/index.php?disp=detail&subcat=portamps&id=253
How many buskers do you know use these things? Answer: all of them.

Well Vamp....not ALL!
Yngwie uses the same one I have:
http://tinyurl.com/3tzf6b8
Sounds much better than my Pignose I have to say.
The funny thing is I only bought mine recently.....after owning a
Pignose 7-100 for many many many years, I bought it at Manny's when it
first came out and had it till it died a year or so ago. I seem to
remember paying $79.95 which was a lot back then.

Tony Done

2011-05-07 00:10:38 UTC

Thinking only of tube amps. I don't think it is anything "big name" like a
Twin, AC30 or Marshall, more likely a Peavey Classic 30 or the like. I
reckon there are way more garage bands and bedroom noodlers playing low- to
mid-priced gear than the expensive stuff that we all know and supposedly
love. How many amps are sold outside the US and what are their preferences
likely to be? The biggest selling amp might be something Chinese for their
home market and totally unknown in the west. Some of those statistics can be
surprising, for example I've been told by an Oz importer, Tim Brennan of Tym
Guitars, that the single biggest market for Gibson guitars is Japan, not the
US.

Tony D

Grinner

2011-05-10 10:04:52 UTC

Post by Tony Done

Thinking only of tube amps. I don't think it is anything "big name" like a
Twin, AC30 or Marshall, more likely a Peavey Classic 30 or the like. I
reckon there are way more garage bands and bedroom noodlers playing low-
to mid-priced gear than the expensive stuff that we all know and
supposedly love. How many amps are sold outside the US and what are their
preferences likely to be? The biggest selling amp might be something
Chinese for their home market and totally unknown in the west. Some of
those statistics can be surprising, for example I've been told by an Oz
importer, Tim Brennan of Tym Guitars, that the single biggest market for
Gibson guitars is Japan, not the US.

and probably ironically the biggest market for japanese guitar would be
outside japan

Post by Tony Done
Tony D

jtees4

2011-05-07 01:16:01 UTC

For the record, my guesses were:
1. Fender
2. Twin

But number 2 is not clear. It could be the Champ too. Or the Deluxe.

My "opponent" said Marshall for #1 and I am pretty sure I won that one
which is what the bet was based on.
What really amazed me by this excerise...is I actually found something
that Google can't seem to answer. I'm sure the answer is somewhere but
I can't find the correct search string to find it.

Squier

2011-05-07 02:36:24 UTC

Post by jtees4
1. Fender
2. Twin
But number 2 is not clear. It could be the Champ too. Or the Deluxe.
My "opponent" said Marshall for #1 and I am pretty sure I won that one
which is what the bet was based on.
What really amazed me by this excerise...is I actually found something
that Google can't seem to answer. I'm sure the answer is somewhere but
I can't find the correct search string to find it.

It's going to be very hard to come up with real sales numbers
since most (if not all ?) music companies are private and not
publicly traded companies. They have a very limited responsibility
to post quarterly figures, unit sales, production numbers, contracted
production, etc and etc.

Actually only Marshall remains as the original company in the sense
that Fender and Gibson merely became horse traded brand names although
their original names "Fender" and "Gibson" were maintained.
Fender brand name was passed down to CBS and currently FMIC.
Gibson braned name was horse traded since late 59 or early 60's (??).
Anyways, all the major brands that sell tube amps (including Vox and Mesa/Boogie)
are privately owned and have no rule that they must provide publicly
any figures. The only way that would be possible is to know an insider
or perhaps to foist yourself as a potential buyer with deep pockets
that's interested in purchasing the company or brand name and need
to view their books for an evaluation. Oh yeah - better have a made up
economic portfolio so they get to know you better too. heh.

Fender (for example) originally sold to CBS for around 13 million (US)
and after CBS got down milking that cow to near death it was bought
by a management group (mostly Fender music division execs and not CBS hacks)
for nearly the same amount. But I don't think you are going to touch
the purchase of the Fender brand name today for anywhere near $13 Million.
We were discussing this in some awful boring finance class at college
as an aside to a project (since our team was mostly comprised of musicians)
and we honestly thought that a figure of $500 Million would probably just
be enough to get the ball rolling on a purchaase of the Fender brand name.
Bring extra money if you also want to get their production facilities.

Once again I type way too much. But it is a rare evening where I am
not at rehearsal or gig and actually doing some college term work here.

LULU

2011-05-07 02:41:17 UTC

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Over the last three or four years, the Line 6 Spider series of guitar
amps have been the #1 sellers in the U.S. Modeling must be what's
happening with a lot of players. I have an older POD and it's
interesting, but I wouldn't want to gig with it. Still, if you're a
bedroom rock star, I could see the appeal and flexibility of the Line
6.

Lulu : )

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Greendistantstar

2011-05-07 05:29:49 UTC

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Over the last three or four years, the Line 6 Spider series of guitar
amps have been the #1 sellers in the U.S. Modeling must be what's
happening with a lot of players. I have an older POD and it's
interesting, but I wouldn't want to gig with it. Still, if you're a
bedroom rock star, I could see the appeal and flexibility of the Line
6.
Lulu : )

I own a Bognerised Line 6 amp and it's the most reliable, flexible amp I've ever owned.

Bedroom, gig, jammin' or whatever, it just works.

Best sounding amp? Nope, but it nails 90% of just about every sound I want, and I'd say that
versatility is the reason for their success.

GDS

"Let's roll!"

DeeAa

2011-05-07 05:47:34 UTC

I don't think any of the guesses here are correct. My 2c here:

Best selling brand ever: Marshall (JCM's likely overshadowed by MG and
Valvestate sales though)
Best selling amp (in name, although changed over the years): Roland
Cube.

Let me elaborate:

First off, you gotta remember that until the 80's guitar amps were
only bought by real players, and those were but a few.
It really started to boom in the 90's and totally went overboard after
the millenium.

I'm guessing after 2000 there has been more amps sold than in all the
decades before that EVER. Everybody and their dog plays guitar now;
when we got into playing in the 80's there was but a few guys in the
entire school who played guitar, now there's at least a dozen players
in every CLASS it seems.

In either case, the most sold amp EVER is in no way going to be a tube
amp. Those are still what 'real' players play, but for every 'real'
player there has to be a hundred beginners or hobby players. Common as
they seem, something like a Twin or even HRD will never be beginners'
amps and never market leaders.

Even in the 90's everybody of course wanted a tube amp, but still all
my friends played whatever they could get their hands on, very few
could really afford a Fender even, let alone a Marshall. Everybody
wanted the latter though, except people in surf bands etc.

I'm thinking the all time best selling amp would be either something
cheap that has been around decades - around here for instance you
could not go somewhere where there was music gear like any school
music room or whatever, and not see a yellow Roland Cube...those for
sure were the most common here in the 80's. In the 90's, I really
can't say, and I sold amps for living back then. But I can say that
for every Fender, Mesa or Marshall we sold, we sold a dozen or so
cheap practice amps, and I can't even remember their names, all kinds
of weird brands like 'Cub' and whatnot.

When did Marshall's Valvestate line appear? Those were SUPER common
and still often seen sold a lot on the net. Somewhere there the market
was also flooded with Peaveys, Rage and Rage II

Then came the MG line and Line 6 etc...and they musta sold more units
than Fender altogether in their time.

So , I'm guessing, unless you divide between 'pro' amps and practice
amps, there's no telling. Practice amps, by now could be Line 6 even,
but I'd venture as a maker at least, Roland is probably who've sold
most units. Models of those change yearly, so no real way to count.

'Pro' amps, has to be Marshall, likely JCM800. Can't throw a stone
near musicians and not hit a JCM in some corner, but amps like HRD you
practically never see at least here, although we did sold a few back
in the day, even I played one for a while.

I'm guessing Line 6 and such, even Vox are selling maybe the largest
numbers today, but Marshall still leads because it's sold pretty much
in top three at least constantly since rock begun for good, and also
now has cheap practice amps aplenty in their catalog.

Cheers,

Dee

jtees4

2011-05-07 14:36:15 UTC

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Over the last three or four years, the Line 6 Spider series of guitar
amps have been the #1 sellers in the U.S. Modeling must be what's
happening with a lot of players. I have an older POD and it's
interesting, but I wouldn't want to gig with it. Still, if you're a
bedroom rock star, I could see the appeal and flexibility of the Line
6.
Lulu : )
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I have and use a PodXT for recording only....I think it's actually
great for that purpose. I also bought a Spider Valve, but didn't like
it too much and sold it.

Squier

2011-05-07 05:56:00 UTC

I will say that for a complete brand line of amps
that Peavey would be the winner (and not Fender or Marshall)

I would also guess that for tube amps -
the Peavey Classic 30 might be the all time leader in unit sales.

jtees4

2011-05-07 14:39:30 UTC

I will say that for a complete brand line of amps
that Peavey would be the winner (and not Fender or Marshall)
I would also guess that for tube amps -
the Peavey Classic 30 might be the all time leader in unit sales.

I still think Fender mostly because of how long they have been around
vs: Peavey. I don't consider myself a Fender guy per say (guitar or
amp)...but over 40 years I have owned more Fender amps myself than any
other....and I've owned multiple Ampegs, Marshalls, and Peaveys too.

Squier

2011-05-07 15:04:12 UTC

I will say that for a complete brand line of amps
that Peavey would be the winner (and not Fender or Marshall)
I would also guess that for tube amps -
the Peavey Classic 30 might be the all time leader in unit sales.

heh. I am a Fender person too (as if you didn't know) and
I have Fender amps myself (Prosonic head and SF Deluxe Reverb)
but me thinks that it's still Peavey for overall unit sales.

Ah well - it's going to be hard to validate any of this
since these are all privately held companies which don't
release figures/sales data like publicly held companies do.

I am curious to see what the facts are about this if such
facts come to light.

Greendistantstar

2011-05-07 15:09:35 UTC

I will say that for a complete brand line of amps
that Peavey would be the winner (and not Fender or Marshall)
I would also guess that for tube amps -
the Peavey Classic 30 might be the all time leader in unit sales.

heh. I am a Fender person too (as if you didn't know) and
I have Fender amps myself (Prosonic head and SF Deluxe Reverb)
but me thinks that it's still Peavey for overall unit sales.
Ah well - it's going to be hard to validate any of this
since these are all privately held companies which don't
release figures/sales data like publicly held companies do.
I am curious to see what the facts are about this if such
facts come to light.

All of which has me wondering...what is the best selling electric guitar of all time?

Probably the Strat; any better ideas?

GDS

"Let's roll!"

LULU

2011-05-07 17:12:20 UTC

I will say that for a complete brand line of amps
that Peavey would be the winner (and not Fender or Marshall)
I would also guess that for tube amps -
the Peavey Classic 30 might be the all time leader in unit sales.

heh. I am a Fender person too (as if you didn't know) and
I have Fender amps myself (Prosonic head and SF Deluxe Reverb)
but me thinks that it's still Peavey for overall unit sales.
Ah well - it's going to be hard to validate any of this
since these are all privately held companies which don't
release figures/sales data like publicly held companies do.
I am curious to see what the facts are about this if such
facts come to light.

All of which has me wondering...what is the best selling electric guitar of all time?
Probably the Strat; any better ideas?
GDS
"Let's roll!"- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I would also probably vote for the "Stratocaster-style" guitar as the
best selling guitar of all time. That title could also easily go to
the "Telecaster-style" guitar. Shape a flat board, bolt on a neck and
a couple single coils and you're good to go. Everyone and their
brother has knocked off those two Fender workhorses. Gibson has sold
a boat load of Les Paul type, single cutaways, but lists the SG model
as their all time best seller. Here's someone's list of best sellers
for various equipment purchased through the big box stores. It's kind
of interesting reading.

Enjoy,
Lulu : )

BEST SELLERS -
http://www.gearpipe.com/best-selling-musical-instruments/

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Rufus

2011-05-07 18:57:04 UTC

I will say that for a complete brand line of amps
that Peavey would be the winner (and not Fender or Marshall)
I would also guess that for tube amps -
the Peavey Classic 30 might be the all time leader in unit sales.

heh. I am a Fender person too (as if you didn't know) and
I have Fender amps myself (Prosonic head and SF Deluxe Reverb)
but me thinks that it's still Peavey for overall unit sales.
Ah well - it's going to be hard to validate any of this
since these are all privately held companies which don't
release figures/sales data like publicly held companies do.
I am curious to see what the facts are about this if such
facts come to light.

All of which has me wondering...what is the best selling electric guitar of all time?
Probably the Strat; any better ideas?
GDS
"Let's roll!"

Hondo...or something *really* cheap and throw away, I would guess. Kay,
Silvertone...Teisco. Probably something acoustic, actually - Yamaha,
Takamine...

--
- Rufus

LULU

2011-05-07 23:22:47 UTC

I will say that for a complete brand line of amps
that Peavey would be the winner (and not Fender or Marshall)
I would also guess that for tube amps -
the Peavey Classic 30 might be the all time leader in unit sales.

heh. I am a Fender person too (as if you didn't know) and
I have Fender amps myself (Prosonic head and SF Deluxe Reverb)
but me thinks that it's still Peavey for overall unit sales.
Ah well - it's going to be hard to validate any of this
since these are all privately held companies which don't
release figures/sales data like publicly held companies do.
I am curious to see what the facts are about this if such
facts come to light.

All of which has me wondering...what is the best selling electric guitar of all time?
Probably the Strat; any better ideas?
GDS
"Let's roll!"

Hondo...or something *really* cheap and throw away, I would guess. Kay,
Silvertone...Teisco. Probably something acoustic, actually - Yamaha,
Takamine...
--
- Rufus- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

If you figure in Asian brands and no-names anything is possible.

Lulu : )

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Greendistantstar

2011-05-08 01:08:22 UTC

I will say that for a complete brand line of amps
that Peavey would be the winner (and not Fender or Marshall)
I would also guess that for tube amps -
the Peavey Classic 30 might be the all time leader in unit sales.

heh. I am a Fender person too (as if you didn't know) and
I have Fender amps myself (Prosonic head and SF Deluxe Reverb)
but me thinks that it's still Peavey for overall unit sales.
Ah well - it's going to be hard to validate any of this
since these are all privately held companies which don't
release figures/sales data like publicly held companies do.
I am curious to see what the facts are about this if such
facts come to light.

All of which has me wondering...what is the best selling electric guitar of all time?
Probably the Strat; any better ideas?
GDS
"Let's roll!"

Hondo...or something *really* cheap and throw away, I would guess. Kay, Silvertone...Teisco.
Probably something acoustic, actually - Yamaha, Takamine...

Acoustic????

GDS

"Let's roll!"

Rufus

2011-05-08 01:31:47 UTC

Post by jtees4
Help. I have a bet and can't find the answer. Google hasn't helped, or
at least I can't find it.
1. What is the best selling BRAND of guitar amp of all
time....meaning
cumulative total sales for the overall brand?
2. What is the all time best selling MODEL amp of all time?
I certainly know the answer to #1, number 2 I'm not 100% sure.

I will say that for a complete brand line of amps
that Peavey would be the winner (and not Fender or Marshall)
I would also guess that for tube amps -
the Peavey Classic 30 might be the all time leader in unit sales.

heh. I am a Fender person too (as if you didn't know) and
I have Fender amps myself (Prosonic head and SF Deluxe Reverb)
but me thinks that it's still Peavey for overall unit sales.
Ah well - it's going to be hard to validate any of this
since these are all privately held companies which don't
release figures/sales data like publicly held companies do.
I am curious to see what the facts are about this if such
facts come to light.

All of which has me wondering...what is the best selling electric guitar of all time?
Probably the Strat; any better ideas?
GDS
"Let's roll!"

Hondo...or something *really* cheap and throw away, I would guess.
Kay, Silvertone...Teisco.
Probably something acoustic, actually - Yamaha, Takamine...

Acoustic????
GDS
"Let's roll!"

Yeah. I figure if we're talking about sheer numbers of guitars sold,
I'd bet that most people began with some acoustic guitar their parents
bought them or they had sitting around the house...around the world.

--
- Rufus

Greendistantstar

2011-05-08 02:44:57 UTC

Post by jtees4
Help. I have a bet and can't find the answer. Google hasn't helped, or
at least I can't find it.
1. What is the best selling BRAND of guitar amp of all
time....meaning
cumulative total sales for the overall brand?
2. What is the all time best selling MODEL amp of all time?
I certainly know the answer to #1, number 2 I'm not 100% sure.

I will say that for a complete brand line of amps
that Peavey would be the winner (and not Fender or Marshall)
I would also guess that for tube amps -
the Peavey Classic 30 might be the all time leader in unit sales.

heh. I am a Fender person too (as if you didn't know) and
I have Fender amps myself (Prosonic head and SF Deluxe Reverb)
but me thinks that it's still Peavey for overall unit sales.
Ah well - it's going to be hard to validate any of this
since these are all privately held companies which don't
release figures/sales data like publicly held companies do.
I am curious to see what the facts are about this if such
facts come to light.

All of which has me wondering...what is the best selling electric guitar of all time?
Probably the Strat; any better ideas?
GDS
"Let's roll!"

Hondo...or something *really* cheap and throw away, I would guess.
Kay, Silvertone...Teisco.
Probably something acoustic, actually - Yamaha, Takamine...

Acoustic????
GDS
"Let's roll!"

Yeah. I figure if we're talking about sheer numbers of guitars sold, I'd bet that most people began
with some acoustic guitar their parents bought them or they had sitting around the house...around
the world.

For sure. My first guitar was a Suzuki acoustic, which didn't quite cut it when trying to work out
Black Sabbath, back in the day :)

GDS

"Let's roll!"

Bruno Puntz Jones

2011-05-08 11:58:03 UTC

On Sun, 08 May 2011 10:44:57 +0800, Greendistantstar

Post by Greendistantstar
Acoustic????

OPPS..I got amps on the brain..thought ya ment the amp company..

Yes, at one time most kids got acoustics, but I think in the
last 20 years, most wanted electrics 1st...

JJTj

Tony Done

2011-05-08 03:18:19 UTC

Post by jtees4
Help. I have a bet and can't find the answer. Google hasn't helped, or
at least I can't find it.
1. What is the best selling BRAND of guitar amp of all
time....meaning
cumulative total sales for the overall brand?
2. What is the all time best selling MODEL amp of all time?
I certainly know the answer to #1, number 2 I'm not 100% sure.

I will say that for a complete brand line of amps
that Peavey would be the winner (and not Fender or Marshall)
I would also guess that for tube amps -
the Peavey Classic 30 might be the all time leader in unit sales.

heh. I am a Fender person too (as if you didn't know) and
I have Fender amps myself (Prosonic head and SF Deluxe Reverb)
but me thinks that it's still Peavey for overall unit sales.
Ah well - it's going to be hard to validate any of this
since these are all privately held companies which don't
release figures/sales data like publicly held companies do.
I am curious to see what the facts are about this if such
facts come to light.

All of which has me wondering...what is the best selling electric
guitar
of all time?
Probably the Strat; any better ideas?
GDS
"Let's roll!"

Hondo...or something *really* cheap and throw away, I would guess.
Kay, Silvertone...Teisco.
Probably something acoustic, actually - Yamaha, Takamine...

Acoustic????
GDS
"Let's roll!"

Yeah. I figure if we're talking about sheer numbers of guitars sold, I'd
bet that most people began with some acoustic guitar their parents bought
them or they had sitting around the house...around the world.
--
- Rufus

This might interest you, copied from rmmga, posted a few days ago by Len
Almaco:

You'd have to pay to find out. But these stats might help put the
market in perspective.
--------------------------------
The Music Trades Online website has quite a few publications on
company sales figures Some of the free examples listed at the site

Total guitar sales by year:

Year Units % Change $ Retail Change Avg
Price
2008 2,991,260 -9.6% $1,151,290,000 -4.1% $372
2007 3,302,670 0.2% $1,158,592,050 13.3% $350
2006 3,302,670 41.0% $1,022,861,000 13.3% $309
2005 2,341,551 20.5% $903,261,000 -1.9% $386
2004 1,942,625 11.4% $921,057,000 -.13% $529
2003 1,742,498 5.6% $922,280,000 -0.1%
$529
2002 1,648,595 23.3% $923,522,000 21.2% $560
2001 1,337,347 15.9% $762,185,000 9.6% $569
2000 1,153,915 5.8% $694,883,000 -2.2%
$579
1999 1,090,329 -.33% $710,769,000 -.63% $652

Guitars
A Breakdown by Price Point and Product----US figures.........I have no
clue to how they compile these numbers

Type Units
Acoustics
Under $100 390,028
$101 to $200 410,030
$201 to $350 110,008
$351 to $500 40,003
$501 to $1,000 40,003
$1,001 to $1,500 10,001
Over $1,501 20,001
Total 1,490,260

Electrics
Under $100 256,354
$101 to $200 561,537
$201 to $350 195,317
$351 to $600 97,659
$601 to $1,000 61,037
$1,001 to $1,250 24,415
$1251 to $1,600 13,185
$1,601 to $2,000 12,207
$2,001 to $3,000 11,229
Total 1,501,000
---------------------------------------------------

Rufus

2011-05-08 04:17:59 UTC

Post by Tony Done

Post by jtees4
Help. I have a bet and can't find the answer. Google hasn't helped, or
at least I can't find it.
1. What is the best selling BRAND of guitar amp of all
time....meaning
cumulative total sales for the overall brand?
2. What is the all time best selling MODEL amp of all time?
I certainly know the answer to #1, number 2 I'm not 100% sure.

I will say that for a complete brand line of amps
that Peavey would be the winner (and not Fender or Marshall)
I would also guess that for tube amps -
the Peavey Classic 30 might be the all time leader in unit sales.

heh. I am a Fender person too (as if you didn't know) and
I have Fender amps myself (Prosonic head and SF Deluxe Reverb)
but me thinks that it's still Peavey for overall unit sales.
Ah well - it's going to be hard to validate any of this
since these are all privately held companies which don't
release figures/sales data like publicly held companies do.
I am curious to see what the facts are about this if such
facts come to light.

All of which has me wondering...what is the best selling electric
guitar
of all time?
Probably the Strat; any better ideas?
GDS
"Let's roll!"

Hondo...or something *really* cheap and throw away, I would guess.
Kay, Silvertone...Teisco.
Probably something acoustic, actually - Yamaha, Takamine...

Acoustic????
GDS
"Let's roll!"

This might interest you, copied from rmmga, posted a few days ago by Len
You'd have to pay to find out. But these stats might help put the
market in perspective.
--------------------------------
The Music Trades Online website has quite a few publications on
company sales figures Some of the free examples listed at the site
Year Units % Change $ Retail Change Avg
Price
2008 2,991,260 -9.6% $1,151,290,000 -4.1% $372
2007 3,302,670 0.2% $1,158,592,050 13.3% $350
2006 3,302,670 41.0% $1,022,861,000 13.3% $309
2005 2,341,551 20.5% $903,261,000 -1.9% $386
2004 1,942,625 11.4% $921,057,000 -.13% $529
2003 1,742,498 5.6% $922,280,000 -0.1%
$529
2002 1,648,595 23.3% $923,522,000 21.2% $560
2001 1,337,347 15.9% $762,185,000 9.6% $569
2000 1,153,915 5.8% $694,883,000 -2.2%
$579
1999 1,090,329 -.33% $710,769,000 -.63% $652
Guitars
A Breakdown by Price Point and Product----US figures.........I have no
clue to how they compile these numbers
Type Units
Acoustics
Under $100 390,028
$101 to $200 410,030
$201 to $350 110,008
$351 to $500 40,003
$501 to $1,000 40,003
$1,001 to $1,500 10,001
Over $1,501 20,001
Total 1,490,260
Electrics
Under $100 256,354
$101 to $200 561,537
$201 to $350 195,317
$351 to $600 97,659
$601 to $1,000 61,037
$1,001 to $1,250 24,415
$1251 to $1,600 13,185
$1,601 to $2,000 12,207
$2,001 to $3,000 11,229
Total 1,501,000
---------------------------------------------------

...so, the best selling guitar in the USA between 1999 and 2008 was an
electric selling for between $101 and $200 from 2006 to 2007, though the
average buyer might have paid as much as $350 for one...of any type.

Sort of interesting that people aren't as inclined to shell out as much
as they were prior to 2005, though...wonder what happened?

--
- Rufus

Tony Done

2011-05-08 20:08:20 UTC

Post by Tony Done

I will say that for a complete brand line of amps
that Peavey would be the winner (and not Fender or Marshall)
I would also guess that for tube amps -
the Peavey Classic 30 might be the all time leader in unit sales.

heh. I am a Fender person too (as if you didn't know) and
I have Fender amps myself (Prosonic head and SF Deluxe Reverb)
but me thinks that it's still Peavey for overall unit sales.
Ah well - it's going to be hard to validate any of this
since these are all privately held companies which don't
release figures/sales data like publicly held companies do.
I am curious to see what the facts are about this if such
facts come to light.

All of which has me wondering...what is the best selling electric
guitar
of all time?
Probably the Strat; any better ideas?
GDS
"Let's roll!"

Hondo...or something *really* cheap and throw away, I would guess.
Kay, Silvertone...Teisco.
Probably something acoustic, actually - Yamaha, Takamine...

Acoustic????
GDS
"Let's roll!"

...so, the best selling guitar in the USA between 1999 and 2008 was an
electric selling for between $101 and $200 from 2006 to 2007, though the
average buyer might have paid as much as $350 for one...of any type.
Sort of interesting that people aren't as inclined to shell out as much as
they were prior to 2005, though...wonder what happened?
--
- Rufus

Maybe what happened is that prices of Chinese-made went down, while quality
went up. - Folks simply didn't see the need to pay more to get the job done.
We really have been living in a electric modders paradise the past few
years. - So much potentially very good stuff, so many change options to
choose from, and such easy access to both info and supplies. Though I guess
that is only a tiny part of the low-end market. <g> I cleaned up my workshop
yesterday, found things I could even remember losing, and now I'm going to
attack my Tokai strat.

Tony D

DeeAa

2011-05-09 02:46:37 UTC

Found this data from Hoovers...w/out registering they only show the
top five in musical instrument makers:

Yamaha Corporation 4,474.98M Hamamatsu, Shizuoka
Roland Corporation 843.23M Osaka, Japan
Kawai Musical Instruments Manufacturing Co., Ltd. 629.97M Hamamatsu,
Shizuoka
Yamaha Music Europe GmbH 499.68M Rellingen, Schleswig-Holstein
Steinway Musical Instruments, Inc. 318.12M Waltham, MA

They also mention Steinway, Fender & Gibson are biggest in the U.S.

Tony Done

2011-05-09 05:56:17 UTC

Post by DeeAa
Found this data from Hoovers...w/out registering they only show the
Yamaha Corporation 4,474.98M Hamamatsu, Shizuoka
Roland Corporation 843.23M Osaka, Japan
Kawai Musical Instruments Manufacturing Co., Ltd. 629.97M Hamamatsu,
Shizuoka
Yamaha Music Europe GmbH 499.68M Rellingen, Schleswig-Holstein
Steinway Musical Instruments, Inc. 318.12M Waltham, MA
They also mention Steinway, Fender & Gibson are biggest in the U.S.

That puts it into perspective - primarily manufacturers of orchestral and
keyboard instruments rather than guitars.

Tony D

Bruno Puntz Jones

2011-05-08 11:55:24 UTC

On Sun, 08 May 2011 09:08:22 +0800, Greendistantstar

Post by Greendistantstar
Acoustic????

Sorry, no. Alot of what you saw as Acoustic on stage
was rentals. True, they sold alot, but like Sunn and Kustom,
they floor planned most of it and alot of it was returned.

Acoustic in the end owed so much money to Cerwin-Vega
that they (CV) got the rights to the name, sold/whatever
it to the current owners, who make complete crap.

JJTj

"..he lies to me about my gun
....being loaded, or not.."

jtees4

2011-05-07 19:36:51 UTC

On Sat, 07 May 2011 23:09:35 +0800, Greendistantstar